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The BMW E46 ///M3 is the M version E46 and puts out an amazing 333 HP and 262 lb-ft of torque at stock specs! There are an amazing amount of modifications for both the coupe and convertible models so read up and get started modifying your cars today!

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Old 05-04-2010, 01:01 AM   #41
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I run Redline oils in both engine of value I own. 10w60 in my M3 and 20w50 in my Lotus Esprit V8. The Esprit V8's recommend Mobil 1 15w50, but it is virtually impossible to find. Probably just me, but I swear both engines run smoother with Redline oil. I know my Esprit shifts alot smoother when I changed the trans oil to Redline. Oh, and I'm not doing it for the price. Redline costs more than Castrol, hands down!
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:02 AM   #42
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i just recently switched back to castrol tws and it seems to run the same as before. only stupid part is that bmw has the market on oil "specifically" for the M series. the freakin oil is way overpriced
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Old 05-04-2010, 07:38 AM   #43
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how much does bmw charge for an oil change?
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Old 05-19-2010, 12:43 AM   #44
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I run Redline oils in both engine of value I own. 10w60 in my M3 and 20w50 in my Lotus Esprit V8. The Esprit V8's recommend Mobil 1 15w50, but it is virtually impossible to find. Probably just me, but I swear both engines run smoother with Redline oil. I know my Esprit shifts alot smoother when I changed the trans oil to Redline. Oh, and I'm not doing it for the price. Redline costs more than Castrol, hands down!
M1 15-50 is available at Walmart in the 5 quart jug
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Old 05-19-2010, 12:53 AM   #45
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Here's an interesting thread on TWS 10w-60 on the BITOG (Bob Is The Oil Guy) forum: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...56#Post1353856. All of the comments support the idea that TWS is a very, very good oil, particularly in its application in the m3 (more or less tailor-made by BMW/Castrol for the S54), and has a very advanced anti-wear package. Some of the posts from an Aussie who works in the lubrication industry (Exxon/Mobil, I think ) seemed to imply that TWS is a descendant of Castrol R and may contain some castor oil in its formulation. A separate post, also on BITOG, showed data from a German BMW forum comparing film strength of various oils. The TWS film strength, measured in kg/cm (whatever that is), was three to four times that of similar 15w-50 and 10w-60 oils, and almost as good as Motul 300V 15w-60, an ester-based racing oil.
Exactly what I was trying to say, just without the data to back it up. TWS is GOOD stuff.

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I had correspondence with Doug. He is truly an expert. Check out what he sent to me, in excerpts. ( by the way I posted on that forum a while back, having seen the light on TWS. ... by the way I was a hardcore M1 fan prior! )

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Hi,
I first used Castrol's R 15w-50 (castor based) great smell - in 1978

In 1980 I commenced a Senior Technical position with a major International Company whereby I could try new technologies and the like

We (Castrol & I), first decided to test the product in late 1980 a wide range of engines;

Diesel
4cyl IL Isuzu, Kubota, Benz
3cyl IL Kubota

Petrol
6cyl IL Nissan
4cyl IL Mitsubishi
2cyl Horizontal (air coooled)

Castrol reformulated the "R" to a non castor lubricant early in the test programme

The tests involved stationary and mobile engines in ambient temps ranging from -6C to 50C
Regular UOAs were done to monitor the lubricant's condition and some engine tear downs were undetaken. The tests lasted until 1985 and covered hundres of thousand of hours of use

A number of minor formulation tweaks took place which I was a part of of course

Later (in 1986) an employee of mine (an Automotive Engineer) from IH - Mercedes Benz was employed with my help by Castrol as a Lubricant Engineer. This rekindled the testing regime again in 1989 but this time it was with HDEOs. He remains with Castrol today as a Senior Lubricant Engineer and we are still excellent friends of course

I continued to use Castrol R 10w-60 (from 1980) until 1999 in a variety of engine families and random UOAs were carried out

The lubricant 10w-60 is very durable and during the tests in the early 1980s were were able to get up to 4000hrs service before OC. We averaged about 2500hrs. We averaged 80km/h (50 mph) here in this test regime
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PART 2
I cannot provide more data than you probably already have

But this might help you

1 - ALPINA worked on its formulation with Castrol/BMW
2 - It suits DI engines due to its viscosity namely HTHS @ 5.4cP
3 - It has an excellent Pour Point (-42C) which is much better than some lighter viscosity lubricants
4 - It was progressively developed from 1997 as a low chlorine/minimised phosphorous lubricant

Its part ester/part PAO base has been constructed over a period of 30 years on an excellent development path

In its early life is was used by Sauber-Mercedes winning at LeMans and in Formula 1 engines (Ford-Cosworth). It was used at one point by Porsche in some race engines. It was also used here in the V8Supercars ZF six speed gearboxes with great success

It is a bit like a heavy weight version of M1 0W-40 or Delvac 1 5W-40 in its formulation
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i just recently switched back to castrol tws and it seems to run the same as before. only stupid part is that bmw has the market on oil "specifically" for the M series. the freakin oil is way overpriced
It's $10.95 a liter here in Fresno, $9.xx with my wholesale account. It's not cheap but its not freaken overpriced either. Even if you're paying more, you don't have to do oil changes for 7,500 miles to 15,000. My 96 M3 costs me more to take care of (oil wise) with it's 3,000 mile changes using Mobil 1 Kragen oil.

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Old 05-19-2010, 09:45 PM   #46
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i just recently switched back to castrol tws and it seems to run the same as before. only stupid part is that bmw has the market on oil "specifically" for the M series. the freakin oil is way overpriced

Guess you should move to something a bit less expensive to maintain?
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Old 05-19-2010, 10:01 PM   #47
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Scheaffer's Supreme 9000 5w-50 Racing Motor Oil for high revving engines FTW.

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Old 05-20-2010, 10:40 AM   #48
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Oil change mileage reset

Anyone have a DIY on how to reset the oil change mileage after you change the oil yourself?
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:04 PM   #49
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Where else can you buy the 10w-60 besides the dealer?
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:41 PM   #50
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Old 05-22-2010, 07:04 AM   #51
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Red Line also offers a 10w-60 now. If I had a M3 or M5/6 I would run the Red line oil.
For a different view of viscosity in high performance cars, you could also read the Dr. Haas writings on BITOG, he runs 5w-20 in his Ferrari.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/aehaas/
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Old 02-10-2013, 09:03 PM   #52
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I bought a 2003 M3 about 8 months ago and love it. It has 179000 miles. 6 speed and had some engine work: valve cover gaskets and new exhaust header spark plugs and overall tune up before I bought it. I changed my oil with Mobil 1 15w50 and a oem Mann oil filter. Walmart 15w50 Mobil 1: 5 quart jug $27.00 one extra quart $7.00 Mann oil filter Ebay 14.00 shipped, $20.00 to my mechanic to change it out. = $68.00 bucks for my oil change. Like the previous posters have said I believe Castrol and BMW to be partners in for big profit monopoly and BMW needed a answer when they started having the problems with the rod bearings problems. I do believe it to be a good oil but Mobil 1 15w-50 is a very good oil as well. It is to my understanding That they used Mobil 1 in the first e46 m3 sure at a lower viscosity and then went with the 10w-60 when they learned of the problems for the 9k at rpm. My car has been running cooler since switching to Mobil 1 it had the tws when I bought it. I have not burned a drop of oil in 8000 miles with it as well. I am sticking to mobil1 15w-50 and you can keep your $175.00 oil change. I do believe all the talk about oil sheer and oil thinning at high rpm in the m3 and that a thick oil needs to be used. I think the specs of the oil sheer on the tws 10w-60 and m1 15w-50 are very very close and the oil burn off point is close as well. You can ck the specs on the internet. I am confident that I am protected as well or better with my m1 15w-50........

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Old 02-11-2013, 04:59 PM   #53
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Maximum mileage for me is 5,000 per oil change (synthetic). I always used the "BMW recommended" oil but since have used ENEOS and TOTAL - I am seeing the oil actually looks better after 5k compared to the Castrol, which kind of surprised me. I'd say 7,500k max between oil changes - certainly not the dealership recommended 15,000 intervals. We had two e46 M3s come into our shop that the owner(s) took them to the 15k interval religiously and there was SOOOOOOO much oil sludge buildup in the cylinder head that we literally had to scoop it out which took forever and I don't even want to think about what that has done to the oil passageways.

While ENEOS doesn't list the oil as "BMW approved" but the Total does. (both have the same ratings on the back of the bottles as the Castrol by the way)


Castrol pays a lot of money to have their name inside the engine compartment, just the same way that Porsche pays a lot of money to have Mobil 1 in the engine bay. They try to recoup some of that expense by marking the oil up - sad but true.
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Thanks for the info scca-ziptie. Just ordered a oil filter and plan to change the oil soon. Hope to keep the M3 running for as long as possible. The 10w-60 may be better oil but the 15w-50 is working for me and I live in Florida so the 15w is not much of a problem for me on cold start ups. Fun reading the threads on the 10w60 TWS vs others on the internet will drive you nuts all day but is fun and I am sure I am not the only M3e46 owner who has fallen asleep in bed thinking about oil.

I will look into the other 10w-60 ies available but for now probably stick with the 15w-50 m1. I am sort of a believer to keep the same type of oil each oil change to keep all the additives from mixing from oil to oil. Not sure how much truth to that but I have read it a lot that once you use a certain oil it is good to keep the same oil after each change.

My cars pretty old anyway and I don't spend much time in the 7000-9000 rpm range as I dont want to blow the motor but Ya thats where the fun is. If I am getting on it I will usually shift at 7k even thought he car can pull more.

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Thanks for the info scca-ziptie. Just ordered a oil filter and plan to change the oil soon. Hope to keep the M3 running for as long as possible. The 10w-60 may be better oil but the 15w-50 is working for me and I live in Florida so the 15w is not much of a problem for me on cold start ups. Fun reading the threads on the 10w60 TWS vs others on the internet will drive you nuts all day but is fun and I am sure I am not the only M3e46 owner who has fallen asleep in bed thinking about oil.

I will look into the other 10w-60 ies available but for now probably stick with the 15w-50 m1. I am sort of a believer to keep the same type of oil each oil change to keep all the additives from mixing from oil to oil. Not sure how much truth to that but I have read it a lot that once you use a certain oil it is good to keep the same oil after each change.

My cars pretty old anyway and I don't spend much time in the 7000-9000 rpm range as I dont want to blow the motor but Ya thats where the fun is. If I am getting on it I will usually shift at 7k even thought he car can pull more.
Understood and copy that.
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These threads always make me laugh. Just go the the black stone site and read the many many people running synthetic for 10K+ miles with lots of life left in the oil when sampled and little issue with the oil being dirty.

Change it at whatever interval you want, it's your money.

That said, with 90% city driving I covered the 15k mile interval in 9k real miles in about a year, so I'm sticking with what my car tells me.

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Old 02-24-2013, 12:35 PM   #57
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Does anyone run AMSoil? I run it in my bike and works trucks and love it. Just wondering if anyone runs it in their BMW?
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:21 PM   #58
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TWS is like a heavier duty 0w-40. With that said, pay extra attention to shear and heat stability, especially with extending OCIs, which given the bearing wear risk, is ill advised.
I switched to Redline 10w-60.
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You are absolutely right,have been using Mobil 1 15w50 for all my cars have been using it in my 1980 911sc with 290k miles never a problem using it in my e30 for the last 45k miles which car now has 245k miles no problem,, bottom line its the best for me. you could tell a good motor oil when it comes time to change your oil and changing it when motor oil is hot and when you drain it it holds together does not splatter all over the place that happens when you use cheeper made oils.[QUOTE=plaroud;9308086]I use the same oil, mobil 1 15w-50.

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Does anyone run AMSoil? I run it in my bike and works trucks and love it. Just wondering if anyone runs it in their BMW?
Very good oil,,know lots of people that use it.
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