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Old 12-14-2012, 12:27 PM   #61
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Exactly.
So, letting "good people" buy guns has consequences. Are we as a society willing to pay the price?

Prevent implies future. :scratchhead:
YES. It is the absolute FOUNDATION of this country.

Innocent until proven guilty.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:29 PM   #62
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So sad.....What is wrong with people? Mentally ill people should not have access to guns.

Since guns cannot be removed from earth, I'm all for arming everyone.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:30 PM   #63
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Mentally ill people should not have access to guns.
that's an awfully broad brush to paint with
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:31 PM   #64
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This is sarcasm right?
If not, you obviously didn't watch the presidential races, sessions of Congress or have any visibility to the legislation people like me were fighting in the shadows (really in plain sight but ignored).
If you think the gun control issue was a prominent one, or even one that they spent a lot of time on, during the election; you're smoking crack.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:31 PM   #65
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Tough to figure out who is mentally ill, until an illness is diagnosed. All too often, these things are missed.

Make it illegal to buy a gun if you have been diagnosed with a mental disorder. Plenty of other places to buy guns.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:31 PM   #66
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that's an awfully broad brush to paint with
Agreed!

...it's a slippery slope
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:32 PM   #67
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Just read the story on this, so sad.. Have they found that "second shooter" yet?

Also, USA Today reporting 26 total killed so far

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Old 12-14-2012, 12:32 PM   #68
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There aren't any fool proof methods of identification, BUT precedent tells a story. JJ's point is a valid one: fix it upstream, not downstream. You can't extract piss out of the mainstream without first dealing with those who keep pissing in it.


Now let's here those stats on Northern Ireland!
Fix it upstream isn't a controversial point.
Nobody disagrees with that.

The controversial point is that JJ advocates for "good people" to be able to carry guns.
It's an individual freedom that carry with it too high of a societal price tag.

BTW, fix it upstream is easier said than done. It sound good typed in a post, that's for sure.
Assuming for a second that we can fix it upstream, there would be no need to carry guns for self protection, correct?
To clarify, I have no issues with anyone owning any guns inside their houses or using them in shooting ranges or for sports. That's not controversial.
It's carrying them in public (the possibility of a stray bullet finding it's way to me or my loved ones) that I'm strongly against.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:33 PM   #69
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Tough to figure out who is mentally ill, until an illness is diagnosed. All too often, these things are missed.

Make it illegal to buy a gun if you have been diagnosed with a mental disorder. Plenty of other places to buy guns.
i forgot what they were talking about, but a psychiatrist on the news a few nights ago said the general public are more likely to act in violent ways than the mentally ill. at first it was unbelievable but i guess it does make sense
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Just read the story on this, so sad.. Have they found that "second shooter" yet?
I just read that they have.

They are saying it's officially 26 now.

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Tough to figure out who is mentally ill, until an illness is diagnosed. All too often, these things are missed.

Make it illegal to buy a gun if you have been diagnosed with a mental disorder. Plenty of other places to buy guns.
what about all the people who go undiagnosed? What about those who are medicated and show no symptoms? What about the people dealing with minor depression? Or seasonal affective disorder?

But now my medical records have to become public information to be found during a background check to buy a firearm?
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Agreed!

...it's a slippery slope
Absolutely. You know more than most.

A lot of people are 302'ed and forever banned from the ability to protect themselves due to a misunderstanding or someone just going through a temporary bump in their life where they needed some help.

Same thing for "sex offenders". Don't get me wrong, if I could be excused legally, I'd personally execute all of the real ones for free as a service to my state, but simply peeing in a bush can get you arrested and labeled as one for life.

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Old 12-14-2012, 12:35 PM   #73
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YES. It is the absolute FOUNDATION of this country.

Innocent until proven guilty.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery
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Then as a society all we can do is pray for the lost children.
There's nothing I can do to help you.
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Fix it upstream isn't a controversial point.
Nobody disagrees with that.

The controversial point is that JJ advocates for "good people" to be able to carry guns.
It's an individual freedom that carry with it too high of a societal price tag.

BTW, fix it upstream is easier said than done. It sound good typed in a post, that's for sure.
Assuming for a second that we can fix it upstream, there would be no need to carry guns for self protection, correct?
To clarify, I have no issues with anyone owning any guns inside their houses or using them in shooting ranges or for sports. That's not controversial.
It's carrying them in public (the possibility of a stray bullet finding it's way to me or my loved ones) that I'm strongly against.
It's a shame that laws against murder aren't more effective at preventing it.
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what about all the people who go undiagnosed? What about those who are medicated and show no symptoms? What about the people dealing with minor depression? Or seasonal affective disorder?

But now my medical records have to become public information to be found during a background check to buy a firearm?
correct. this relates to my previous post
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Absolutely. You know more than most.

A lot of people are 302'ed and forever banned from the ability to protect themselves due to a misunderstanding or someone just going through a temporary bump in their life where they needed some help.

Same thing for "sex offenders". Don't get me wrong, if I could be excused legally, I'd personally execute all of the real ones for free as a service to my state, but simply peeing in a bush can get you arrested and labeled as one for life.
I've got a buddy who narrowly avoided the sex offender tag because he peed in a metro station in the middle of the night when he was drunk and couldn't hold it anymore.
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what about all the people who go undiagnosed? What about those who are medicated and show no symptoms? What about the people dealing with minor depression? Or seasonal affective disorder?

But now my medical records have to become public information to be found during a background check to buy a firearm?
Thats the point i was making. I was speaking hypothetically, if such a law were passed it wouldn't make a difference. Can still buy a gun 2nd hand.
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Fix it upstream isn't a controversial point.
Nobody disagrees with that.

The controversial point is that JJ advocates for "good people" to be able to carry guns.
It's an individual freedom that carry with it too high of a societal price tag.

BTW, fix it upstream is easier said than done. It sound good typed in a post, that's for sure.
Assuming for a second that we can fix it upstream, there would be no need to carry guns for self protection, correct?
To clarify, I have no issues with anyone owning any guns inside their houses or using them in shooting ranges or for sports. That's not controversial.
It's carrying them in public (the possibility of a stray bullet finding it's way to me or my loved ones) that I'm strongly against.

Even without guns people will act barbaric. Like I mentioned in my edit, if it weren't a gun, it would be a bomb or some other tool used to create mayhem and distruction. Let EVERYBODY be armed, and people will think twice about committing an act of violence. The reason why the gun toter is so effective is because the average person has no way to respond. In areas of the country where open carry is legal, don't think for a minute that a would-be criminal weighs his/her options before crossing that line (..i.e...Am I going to rob a place of business when the probability is high - almost a 100% certainty - that store owner and all of the patrons are armed? Probably not!). What makes this even more apparent is a conversation that I had with a buddy currently living in AZ right now. He made a comment about ignorance/racism, and I made a joke about "smacking them". His response? "LOL..naw! Everybody carries guns around here." It just further illustrates my point. Arm everybody.....take the power away from criminals.


Yes, the "fix it upstream" comment sounds better in theory than application, but this gun issue is truly getting out of hand.
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It's a shame that laws against murder aren't more effective at preventing it.
It's already very effective.
Take those laws away and see what happens.
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Yes, the "fix it upstream" comment sounds better in theory than application, but this gun issue is truly getting out of hand.
"Improve" would've been a better word

"Fix" wasn't meant to imply "prevent"

Nothing short of killing someone will ever 99.99% prevent* them from performing an action (good or bad)

Note: .01% calculation for "Zombie" or "After-Life" scenario possibility

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