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Old 01-29-2018, 02:13 AM   #761
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Did you have to recode all of your modules based on the new dme? Inpa shows a different vin, and I have a ton of dash lights on.

Everything runs great, but I have no coolant temp and dash is a Christmas tree.

Note I had an ms43
I swapped the instrument cluster to an M3 one, which makes things much easier and you get proper gauges. The VIN in the DME doesn't really matter except when you register the car somewhere that cares about emissions testing. E.g. California wants it to show the M3 donor's VIN to certify the engine swap.

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This is a great reference, thanks for putting this together
Thanks for the kind words.
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Old 01-29-2018, 06:53 AM   #762
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Yes I used the m3 cluster as well, I found my 01 abs unit attached to the m3 brake booster made the speed sensors non functional. I purchase an mk60 and all is well. What I don't think people realize is how much time this takes to complete if you want oem quality.

When I posted that response I.had not ran extensions for.the sensors.

My IKE still has the existing vin from my wagon, I wasn't sure if you used tool32 and ran a job to program all modules with that fa, vo and vin
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Old 04-22-2018, 04:42 PM   #763
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I don't know if this was covered anywhere but I'm having a slight wiring issue with an s54 swap and a 2000 323 wagon.

I had no problems adding all the wires for the gas pedal the sport button clutch pedal wire.

Everything is plugged up in the DME box very neatly but there's two black male plugs on the s54 engine harness one is a 8-pin and one is a 4-pin. On the wagon side in the DME box I don't have those plugs.. instead of have to black female plugs one is two pin and one is four pin.

I looked in my zhp and my friends M3 and his 3:30 which are newer cars and they do have those matching black female plugs.

Anybody have any idea how you're supposed to get around this I know it has to do with the fuel pump because the fuel pump isn't priming.

Here's two pictures one is the two black plugs from the s54 harness and the other is the two female plugs in the 2000 wagon DME box.


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Old 04-25-2018, 08:35 AM   #764
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Ok homie, you delete the yellow and grey wire from the 8 pin. Take the remaining wires, grn/brwn and the black wire put them into this connector. BMW 2 Pin Connector Plug Black 61131378108. Now the other connector 4 pin, you delete the purple/blk wire, take remaining 3 wires. BMW 3 PIN Connector 1-828817-1. Now you need, some molex bullet connectors and a molex crimping tool to finish your wiring harness. EDIT: upload euro2 software to your dme, that will fix your fuel pump issue. ENJOY!

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Old 04-25-2018, 11:59 PM   #765
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Ok homie, you delete the yellow and grey wire from the 8 pin. Take the remaining wires, grn/brwn and the black wire put them into this connector. BMW 2 Pin Connector Plug Black 61131378108. Now the other connector 4 pin, you delete the purple/blk wire, take remaining 3 wires. BMW 3 PIN Connector 1-828817-1. Now you need, some molex bullet connectors and a molex crimping tool to finish your wiring harness. EDIT: upload euro2 software to your dme, that will fix your fuel pump issue. ENJOY!
Thanks a lot man we finally got it figured out over these past few days. I need up going to the junkyard and cutting off 4 pin and 8 pin connector with the wiring on the body harness side from a donor car and then I saw that the wires really did matchup except for the yellow wire gray wire and the fuel pump wire.

Ms42 DME uses pin 10 on x60004 anyways and that happens to be the same signal for the Euro fuel pump output so I just used that and it works.

We finally got the engine crank tonight so it's all good. Thanks a lot for the help I really appreciate it
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You have a seriously cool car. You made a great job of it and I salute your creativity
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cyberkaa, Do you know how munch camber and caster was improved with the M3 king pins (steering knuckles) and wishbones (front control arms)?
I track a 330i, have Bilstein coilovers with Vorshlag camber plates and am wearing out the tires on the outside edge. Since my strut is already at the inside edge of the strut tower opening, it would be easier to adjust my camber at the bottom. It is sad to replace a set of Hoosiers because of a little cord showing on the edge of an otherwise good tire.
Thank you for sharing all your work with the BMW community.
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Old 11-07-2018, 11:02 PM   #769
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I don't know if this was covered anywhere but I'm having a slight wiring issue with an s54 swap and a 2000 323 wagon.

I had no problems adding all the wires for the gas pedal the sport button clutch pedal wire.

Everything is plugged up in the DME box very neatly but there's two black male plugs on the s54 engine harness one is a 8-pin and one is a 4-pin. On the wagon side in the DME box I don't have those plugs.. instead of have to black female plugs one is two pin and one is four pin.

I looked in my zhp and my friends M3 and his 3:30 which are newer cars and they do have those matching black female plugs.

Anybody have any idea how you're supposed to get around this I know it has to do with the fuel pump because the fuel pump isn't priming.

Here's two pictures one is the two black plugs from the s54 harness and the other is the two female plugs in the 2000 wagon DME box.
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In case anyone else runs into this issue, older cars have different plugs, but it doesn't matter since everything can still be adapted. Look for the SW/VI colored wire for fuel pump activation.
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cyberkaa, Do you know how munch camber and caster was improved with the M3 king pins (steering knuckles) and wishbones (front control arms)?
I track a 330i, have Bilstein coilovers with Vorshlag camber plates and am wearing out the tires on the outside edge. Since my strut is already at the inside edge of the strut tower opening, it would be easier to adjust my camber at the bottom. It is sad to replace a set of Hoosiers because of a little cord showing on the edge of an otherwise good tire.
Thank you for sharing all your work with the BMW community.
Unfortunately, I don't have exact before and after alignment measurements. I kept the same coilovers before and after, but adjusted the height, which changed the alignment. I believe I did get to about -3 degrees of camber in the front either way.
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cyberkaa, Do you know how munch camber and caster was improved with the M3 king pins (steering knuckles) and wishbones (front control arms)?
I track a 330i, have Bilstein coilovers with Vorshlag camber plates and am wearing out the tires on the outside edge. Since my strut is already at the inside edge of the strut tower opening, it would be easier to adjust my camber at the bottom. It is sad to replace a set of Hoosiers because of a little cord showing on the edge of an otherwise good tire.
Thank you for sharing all your work with the BMW community.
I'll have a used set for sale this winter, after I go to CSL kingpins
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curious, on your MS43 car, when you did an S54 swap with M3 cluster, did you have to run wiring directly from the DME to the cluster for oil level and pressure?

i never had to do this in the MS42 S54 swapped wagon OR my MS45.1 S54 swapped Sedan but on this MS43 XI that we are S54 swapping, Kassel Performance website shows you do run wires for MS43 but when I look up the pinouts for MS43 and compare to Ms54 and also look at the pinouts for the IKE for MS43 cars vs MS54.. it kind of contradicts what Kassels website says to do.

both PIN 14 and 17 of the Ms43 IKE cluster plugs had existing wires in there but it sounds like they should be empty ready to add PINs to.

i was wondering if the oil level and Pressure are just broadcast via Can bus and if i'm running MS54 DME and M3 cluster then everything would just work with no additional wiring needed for oil level and pressure.
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Old 11-20-2018, 08:26 PM   #775
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curious, on your MS43 car, when you did an S54 swap with M3 cluster, did you have to run wiring directly from the DME to the cluster for oil level and pressure?

i never had to do this in the MS42 S54 swapped wagon OR my MS45.1 S54 swapped Sedan but on this MS43 XI that we are S54 swapping, Kassel Performance website shows you do run wires for MS43 but when I look up the pinouts for MS43 and compare to Ms54 and also look at the pinouts for the IKE for MS43 cars vs MS54.. it kind of contradicts what Kassels website says to do.

both PIN 14 and 17 of the Ms43 IKE cluster plugs had existing wires in there but it sounds like they should be empty ready to add PINs to.

i was wondering if the oil level and Pressure are just broadcast via Can bus and if i'm running MS54 DME and M3 cluster then everything would just work with no additional wiring needed for oil level and pressure.
My red car was MS45.1 and my black car was MS43. No additional wires were needed for oil level and pressure in either case, but one thing to keep in mind is that not all M3 clusters are equal. For the second swap, I had to run a wire for backlighting, for example.
BMW WDS does show those wires, but the data is read over the bus for my model year.
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