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Old 07-12-2019, 09:08 AM   #621
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No. The article does not say that.
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No. The article does not say that.
Of course it does. If the study says that around 50% of black/latino kids would not have gotten in on merit...it means that those spots (50% of the number of attendees) would have gone to worthy candidates, who did not get in due to these stupid policies.

If there were 100 black/latino students admitted and 50 didn't deserve it, 50 kids lost their spot that did deserve it.

Right?
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Of course it does. If the study says that around 50% of black/latino kids would not have gotten in on merit...it means that those spots (50% of the number of attendees) would have gone to worthy candidates, who did not get in due to these stupid policies.

If there were 100 black/latino students admitted and 50 didn't deserve it, 50 kids lost their spot that did deserve it.

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Exceeeeeeeeeeept...

A) THE ARTICLE DOESN'T SAY THEY WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN IN ON MERIT. IT SAYS THEY WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN IN SOLELY ON SAT SCORES.

B) THE ARTICLE DOESN'T SAY THAT THE ONLY TWO ADMISSIONS VARIABLES ARE TEST SCORES AND RACE.

Here's your first clue to that equation: "But a large number of white students would lose their seats and be replaced with other white students." Herpaderp if I change variable A and variable B isn't affected, what does that tell me about my variables herpaderpderp.

You love to mock SJWs but your arguments are EXACTLY the same.

The study the article is citing looks at the premise: "what would the nation’s most selective colleges and universities look like if they admitted students solely on the basis of SAT scores?

Are grades not "merit"?

Are sports/debate club/class president not merit?

Are scouting/volunteerism/employment/internships/entrepreneurship not merit?

Are teacher recommendations/academic awards (science fair ribbons/creative writing contest wins/school journalism awards) not merit?

Is early application filing not merit? Is an application that's free of typos not merit? Are well written application essays not merit?

Just like people that jump to the conclusion that the white cop shot the black guy because of racism and won't consider anything else, you jump to the conclusion that the colored person got into college because of racism and won't consider anything else.
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The article was about test scores, yes we all know this. Fact is, we have racist policies that buttress poor test scores and if we have equal protection under the law this is not permissible (schools get federal funding and are, thus, subject to said criticism). Not only that, but the SAT has oppression points, which further screws up "merit".

And yes, of course the other things count as part of merit.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...ses-the-point/
The New SAT 'Adversity Score' Misses the Point

Sorry if I'm not comfortable giving up my kid's place for some perceived injustice that didn't occur. I did also appreciate the replaced white kids portion, only furthering the notion that undeserving kids are getting in due to heavier reliance upon subjective criteria.
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When have colleges ever accept kids on just academic scoring alone? And to Xcleratrs point, there are tons of other merit items outside of pure academics.
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When have colleges ever accept kids on just academic scoring alone? And to Xcleratrs point, there are tons of other merit items outside of pure academics.
But how else are we supposed to keep the minorities out of college???????
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When have colleges ever accept kids on just academic scoring alone? And to Xcleratrs point, there are tons of other merit items outside of pure academics.
Xcler made some great points, he's a good poster. Gave me things to consider, I appreciate it.

As for scores, I don't know the historical trend of scores v. mores. I know law schools are very score oriented (which hurt me, as my grades were far better than my scores).
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And here we are

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How Do We Save the World from the White Man?
We save the world from the white man by understanding that the idea of the white man has become obsolete

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"Education"

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"Education"

Is that a lesson or a student's project? This is contextless. But don't let that stop you from making an ass of yourself.
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Group lobbies to get rid of NYC gifted programs... Because too white and Asian

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/n...gregation.html

Fck the kids right? Sigh
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Jemele Hill argues for segregation, because 2019

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...lleges/596629/
It's Time for Black Athletes to Leave White Colleges

ps - wtf is a white college?
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Oh look AoG is "melting down" again, just going by his definition of a meltdown, sharing an article.
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Oh look AoG is "melting down" again, just going by his definition of a meltdown, sharing an article.
If you are going to shout "melt down" with every post he makes then you should realize you are melting down at precisely the same pace.

But it's a free country and I will defend your right to look as silly as those you call silly so please, melt away.
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If you are going to shout "melt down" with every post he makes then you should realize you are melting down at precisely the same pace.

But it's a free country and I will defend your right to look as silly as those you call silly so please, melt away.
I believe the intended irony flew well over your head.
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If you are going to shout "melt down" with every post he makes then you should realize you are melting down at precisely the same pace.

But it's a free country and I will defend your right to look as silly as those you call silly so please, melt away.
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I believe the intended irony flew well over your head.
Exactly

AoG called me out for melting down over Trump's stupidity because I like to post about it (ie: share tweets and articles), as he seems to give us new material hourly, yet AoG does the same thing across multiple threads and topics.
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The only meltdown I've had is when they revealed the new Supra
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Remember when higher education brought people together? Me too

https://www.thecollegefix.com/whites...lars-of-color/
Whites need not apply: Campus sci-tech symposium to only feature scholars of color
The call for papers specifies that means either "African Americans, Alaska Natives, Arab Americans, Asian Americans, Latinx, Native Americans, Native Hawaiians, and other Pacific Islanders."
Part of the application process asked applicants to write a couple sentences proving themselves as a member of a "historically underrepresented group."
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