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Old 08-24-2019, 11:44 PM   #3501
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Iím talking about illegal immigrants who have been here for a set period of time, letís use 2014 as an example. If theyíve been here, as productive members of society for 5 years minimum we should work towards getting them their green cards and having to go through the same checks as anyone else who applied the legal way. Give them a probationary period where they must complete the proper paperwork to move forward with that, and if they donít they get deported, if they do we work on the naturalization process. Rounding them up and deporting them isnít going to do anything but have them try again, split up families, sending people to places they do not know because they spent the majority of their lives here... if they are already working here and are being productive members of society, let them continue to work but now they pay taxes. People who are caught crossing the border recently (less than five years) get deported.





You shouldnít feel superior over anyone... even if they had committed crimes. Weíre all human and most people are trying to achieve a better life, you may have done the same as them if you had their life.
Everyone in the world wants a better life, it's not a criteria for immigration. They've already shown that they don't respect laws, and are perpetually breaking immigration, tax, labor and identity laws. We don't need to put millions of gimmegrants on the books.

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Old 08-24-2019, 11:56 PM   #3502
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Everyone in the world wants a better life, it's not a criteria for immigration. They've already shown that they don't respect laws, and are perpetually breaking immigration, tax, labor and identity laws. We don't need to put millions of gimmegrants on the books.

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Progressives: We don't need to bother worrying about manufacturing jobs, it's all going to be automation. Those jobs are going away!

Also progressives: We need to import illiterate socialists from the 3rd world to fill jobs

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Old 08-25-2019, 06:30 AM   #3503
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Also shaban the progressive: all who commit crimes just need a hug.
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:34 AM   #3504
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Also shaban the progressive: all who commit crimes just need a hug.


Unless itís a thought crime.
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Old 08-25-2019, 02:03 PM   #3505
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Everyone in the world wants a better life, it's not a criteria for immigration. They've already shown that they don't respect laws, and are perpetually breaking immigration, tax, labor and identity laws. We don't need to put millions of gimmegrants on the books.

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Itíd be fine to say this if our immigration system wasnít retarded. We arenít helping ourselves by incentivizing illegal immigration with **** policy.


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Old 08-25-2019, 02:04 PM   #3506
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Also shaban the progressive: all who commit crimes just need a hug.


Our penal system is amongst the worst of all developed nations.


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Old 08-25-2019, 02:10 PM   #3507
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Itíd be fine to say this if our immigration system wasnít retarded. We arenít helping ourselves by incentivizing illegal immigration with **** policy.


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Immigration laws are just fine, actually the points based system would be even better.

Illegal immigration falls outside of the immigration law, they are involved in breaking border law. What exactly about them breaking border laws is incentivizing them? Only think I can think of is states sanctuary law and giving them drivers licenses. And CA now giving them "free" healthcare.

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Old 08-25-2019, 02:25 PM   #3508
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Immigration laws are just fine, actually the points based system would be even better.

Illegal immigration falls outside of the immigration law, they are involved in breaking border law. What exactly about them breaking border laws is incentivizing them? Only think I can think of is states sanctuary law and giving them drivers licenses. And CA now giving them "free" healthcare.

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No our immigration law is not fine. The process is ridiculous and takes absolutely forever and costs a TON (lawyers of course). I have watched multiple good friends of mine from work and the effort required to get authorized is insane even with funding from our company paying the legal fees. The time and monetary cost is waaaay too high to even try to get in legally so obviously poor folks are just gonna try to get in via other means. Itís also excessively inconvenient to get your visa renewed. You have to leave the ****ing country to do it. Thatís absurd and costs a lot thus causing a lot of people to allow their visa to lapse. It takes MONTHS to years to get approval to work here even if youíre married to a US citizen.

Birthright citizenship is an incentive. Being able to get jobs (even the shittiest of jobs) is an incentive. Sanctuary cities are an incentive though I get why they exist. Theyíre absolving themselves of responsibility for a problem the federal government has created.

Giving licenses isnít an incentive. They can just drive a car regardless. People drive with out a license and insurance all the time anyway.


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Old 08-25-2019, 02:48 PM   #3509
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No our immigration law is not fine. The process is ridiculous and takes absolutely forever and costs a TON (lawyers of course). I have watched multiple good friends of mine from work and the effort required to get authorized is insane even with funding from our company paying the legal fees. The time and monetary cost is waaaay too high to even try to get in legally so obviously poor folks are just gonna try to get in via other means. Itís also excessively inconvenient to get your visa renewed. You have to leave the ****ing country to do it. Thatís absurd and costs a lot thus causing a lot of people to allow their visa to lapse. It takes MONTHS to years to get approval to work here even if youíre married to a US citizen.

Birthright citizenship is an incentive. Being able to get jobs (even the shittiest of jobs) is an incentive. Sanctuary cities are an incentive though I get why they exist. Theyíre absolving themselves of responsibility for a problem the federal government has created.

Giving licenses isnít an incentive. They can just drive a car regardless. People drive with out a license and insurance all the time anyway.


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Over 1 million people manage to immigrate into the country every year. It's purposely restricted to favor skills, educated and wealthy. I don't want to lower that standard. No country in the world wants poor people moving in, don't see what you don't understand about that.

In regards to the visas, every country requires that you leave the country to renew, this is nothing unusual. What a strange thing to complain about.

The federal government didn't "create" the problem of an illegal population. That's like saying the government is at fault for throwing people in jail because they made murder and theft illegal.

Your main complaint is that "it's too hard" yet 1 million still do it every year. Suck it up buttercup.

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Old 08-25-2019, 05:02 PM   #3510
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Over 1 million people manage to immigrate into the country every year. It's purposely restricted to favor skills, educated and wealthy. I don't want to lower that standard. No country in the world wants poor people moving in, don't see what you don't understand about that.

In regards to the visas, every country requires that you leave the country to renew, this is nothing unusual. What a strange thing to complain about.

The federal government didn't "create" the problem of an illegal population. That's like saying the government is at fault for throwing people in jail because they made murder and theft illegal.

Your main complaint is that "it's too hard" yet 1 million still do it every year. Suck it up buttercup.

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Yeah, but I'm sure we could keep those same restrictions including numbers while making the process easier, cheaper, and quicker. I very much doubt the time and expense are carefully crafted into the process as a further layer of selectivity.
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Old 08-25-2019, 05:14 PM   #3511
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Yeah, but I'm sure we could keep those same restrictions including numbers while making the process easier, cheaper, and quicker. I very much doubt the time and expense are carefully crafted into the process as a further layer of selectivity.
How are you or anyone else voting to make the government cheaper easier quicker?

Why make it easier cheaper and quicker if you're still going to have the same influx per year and still have a wealth/education threshold.

Over 1 million people immigrate into the country every year.

1 million.

Obviously these the smart wealthy and harder working ones since they endured this "terrible" process. I don't understand why people want to lower the bar.

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Old 08-25-2019, 05:26 PM   #3512
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How are you or anyone else voting to make the government cheaper easier quicker?

Why make it easier cheaper and quicker if you're still going to have the same influx per year and still have a wealth/education threshold.

Over 1 million people immigrate into the country every year.

1 million.

Obviously these the smart wealthy and harder working ones since they endured this "terrible" process. I don't understand why people want to lower the bar.

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I don't understand the point of the question you started with.

What negative effect would shortening the process and making it cheaper have if you're still allowing the same number in? It would literally have none, because how could it? You haven't changed any actual requirement that gets you the smarter, wealthier, and harder working applicants.

Those same 1 million immigrants can still make it in every year with a cheaper and faster process. And it's not lowering the bar because the process isn't some handy way of further weeding out applicants, it's just a **** government process.
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Old 08-25-2019, 05:32 PM   #3513
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I don't understand the point of the question you started with.



What negative effect would shortening the process and making it cheaper have if you're still allowing the same number in? It would literally have none, because how could it? You haven't changed any actual requirement that gets you the smarter, wealthier, and harder working applicants.



Those same 1 million immigrants can still make it in every year with a cheaper and faster process. And it's not lowering the bar because the process isn't some handy way of further weeding out applicants, it's just a **** government process.
I believe the number per year isn't set. It's restricted by the efficiency of the process. Therefore if you're trying to improve the process aka government, you will get more immigrants per year. I don't believe there is a need to increase our population growth that much.

This is different than illegal immigration, although some may (or already have) argued that it's because legal migration is so difficult. And I'll resort back to they don't qualify anyway, and no country in the world wants them, that is the poor uneducated unskilled, it's an economic burden. This isn't unique to the US.

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Old 08-25-2019, 05:46 PM   #3514
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I believe the number per year isn't set. It's restricted by the efficiency of the process. Therefore if you're trying to improve the process aka government, you will get more immigrants per year. I don't believe there is a need to increase our population growth that much.

This is different than illegal immigration, although some may (or already have) argued that it's because legal migration is so difficult. And I'll resort back to they don't qualify anyway, and no country in the world wants them, that is the poor uneducated unskilled, it's an economic burden. This isn't unique to the US.

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Fair enough, I'm operating under the assumption that we have a set number. If not, we can certainly institute a reasonable number with a cheaper and quicker process.
I agree with you on illegal immigration.
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We take in over 1,000,000 a year, more than any other country. How is that not enough? You need to give room for assimilation
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We take in over 1,000,000 a year, more than any other country. How is that not enough? You need to give room for assimilation


Where did I say that wasnít enough?


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How is our immigration system retarded? Are you commenting about illegals? Chain migration? Birthright?
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Old 08-26-2019, 06:19 AM   #3518
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How is our immigration system retarded? Are you commenting about illegals? Chain migration? Birthright?


Iím just going to assume you missed my comment or something because I voiced my concerns.


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rape rape rape

http://dailycallernewsfoundation.org...o-be-deported/
Somali Immigrant Convicted Of Gang Rape Says He's Too Depressed To Be Deported

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/979420...tion-heathrow/
Plane mutiny rapist claims he's too depressed to be deported after Heathrow passengers blocked his return to Somalia
Somalian-born Yaqub Ahmed, 30, was convicted of gang raping a 16-year-old girl in 2007 and later jailed for nine years alongside three other men.
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rape rape rape

http://dailycallernewsfoundation.org...o-be-deported/
Somali Immigrant Convicted Of Gang Rape Says He's Too Depressed To Be Deported

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/979420...tion-heathrow/
Plane mutiny rapist claims he's too depressed to be deported after Heathrow passengers blocked his return to Somalia
Somalian-born Yaqub Ahmed, 30, was convicted of gang raping a 16-year-old girl in 2007 and later jailed for nine years alongside three other men.
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