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Old 03-28-2015, 10:13 AM   #41
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You can now infer, if this is true, that there was some really bad stuff on there
Porn vids of Bill?

Hilary may have done the world a big favor.
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Old 03-28-2015, 10:45 AM   #42
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We should ask Dubya....remember when he "lost" shite loads of official emails?

Edit: up to 22,000,000 emails on a private, RNC owned server, no less! I bet someone spilled a latte on it.
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Good point, so as a matter of precedent we should apply the same legal penalties that were applied then - wouldn't want to seem hypocritical now would we?

So, just what legal penalties were applied then? I'm sure Karl Rove would be happy to fill us in.
I have no problem with anyone investigating him, if there is something that needs finding....refresh my memory, what was supposedly/possibly erased that we wanted to know? I honestly don't remember anything about it.
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Old 03-28-2015, 12:20 PM   #43
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As I recall, it centered around that Valerie Plame (sp-?) / Scooter Libby thing primarily, but some other controversial issues as well.

The WH was basically using an RNC account/server for a LOT of their official emails, which then somehow quite mysteriously disappeared along with a whole bunch of emails actually sent through the WH account when some investigations (Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald IIRC) requested them.

The GOP made some mild pro forma remarks about the whole email thing but basically just brushed it away ("Oops, sorry, don't know how that happened...").

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Old 03-28-2015, 01:17 PM   #44
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love your moral relativism guys!
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Old 03-28-2015, 04:05 PM   #45
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Who's moral relavitism? What about moral consistancy? Why is the GOP making such hay of Hilary's emails when they were so eager to basically give Bush and company a pass in an analogous situation?
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Who's moral relavitism? What about moral consistancy? Why is the GOP making such hay of Hilary's emails when they were so eager to basically give Bush and company a pass in an analogous situation?
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Old 03-28-2015, 05:32 PM   #47
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How so? By pointing out a seeming inconsistency in approach by the GOP? Not suggestion which is the correct approach (maybe Hilary should be raked over the coals) only that the GOP appears situational, relative if you will, depending on the players.

In any case, the GOP 's approach seems wrong in one of these instances and thus forfeits some level of moral authority as a result.

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Since I don't think anyone in here is employed by or contracted with either political party, I issue a challenge to anyone with balls to answer the following question with intellectual and intestinal honesty, without any reference to political party (that's for you, rdsesq ;-)):

Should a cabinet member be investigated and possibly prosecuted for destroying documents while said documents were under subpoena? Should be a simple yes or no, but if you have a non-partisan explanation to add, offer it up.
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Old 03-28-2015, 06:18 PM   #49
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How so? By pointing out a seeming inconsistency in approach by the GOP? Not suggestion which is the correct approach (maybe Hilary should be raked over the coals) only that the GOP appears situational, relative if you will, depending on the players.

In any case, the GOP 's approach seems wrong in one of these instances and thus forfeits some level of moral authority as a result.
Let's extrapolate your last statement to the only logical conclusion: since both political parties have taken the wrong stance at one time or another, neither has the "moral authority" to ever investigate and prosecute illegal actions. Sorry, that is absurd and I can't believe you really believe that a "group" should forfeit ethical standing to pursue these cases because some members of that group have at some point in the past acted hypocritically.

So how about having a rational discussion of the current topic without any further childish "they did it first"? Anyone up to that task?

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Old 03-28-2015, 06:21 PM   #50
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In general, yes.

I'm not familiar enough with the specifics around Hilary's situation specifically to say that fully applies here, legally. However, at the very least, her actions are foolish and look very bad and does tend to reflect badly on her judgement.
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In general, yes.

I'm not familiar enough with the specifics around Hilary's situation specifically to say that fully applies here, legally. However, at the very least, her actions are foolish and look very bad and does tend to reflect badly on her judgement.
Well the latest I've read is that she wipe the server clean AFTER a subpoena was issued. Timing is critical so taking that "after" as accurate, this is a huge legal issue, not merely bad judgment. I can tell you if this was Ronald Reagan (citing an example that you would expect diehard conservatives to be extremely loyal to) instead of Hilary, I would still want the truth to be revealed, regardless of consequences.
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Republicans did it first, so which republican should we prosecute first?

You'll need a precedent before you attack Hillary for doing it.
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Republicans did it first, so which republican should we prosecute first?

You'll need a precedent before you attack Hillary for doing it.
Actually all you need is federal law. Duh.

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Republicans did it first, so which republican should we prosecute first?

You'll need a precedent before you attack Hillary for doing it.
Yeah, that's not how it works.
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What about the regulation that was set forth by The Bush Administration saying all email correspondence was to be retained on government servers for future historical documentation but when asked for Cheney's emails his response was that as President of The Senate he was not obligated to save the emails because he was a member of The Legislature. Double standard much. Republicans scream like little babies all at the same time offering absolutely nothing to the future of this country.
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Since I don't think anyone in here is employed by or contracted with either political party, I issue a challenge to anyone with balls to answer the following question with intellectual and intestinal honesty, without any reference to political party (that's for you, rdsesq ;-)):

Should a cabinet member be investigated and possibly prosecuted for destroying documents while said documents were under subpoena? Should be a simple yes or no, but if you have a non-partisan explanation to add, offer it up.
In concept, yes.

However, there will ALWAYS be a turf war between executive and legislative branches. Sometimes (ok, ok, most of the time) it will be partisan politics. But even in the best of times, Congress and the White House will always be all up in each other's bidnez and there may be situations where Congress is overstepping it's authority and just trying to bend the White House to it's will. FWIW, I'm not saying that's the case with any of the various disappearances we're discussing here.

So I guess my answer is yes, as long as the related investigation isn't a political play and Congress isn't playing out of bounds.

Anyone remember when someone (Congress? special investigator?) was going to depose Slick Willy's Secret Service protective detail about what they'd seen and heard?
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What about the regulation that was set forth by The Bush Administration saying all email correspondence was to be retained on government servers for future historical documentation but when asked for Cheney's emails his response was that as President of The Senate he was not obligated to save the emails because he was a member of The Legislature. Double standard much. Republicans scream like little babies all at the same time offering absolutely nothing to the future of this country.
Federal laws don't apply to republicans.
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What about the regulation that was set forth by The Bush Administration saying all email correspondence was to be retained on government servers for future historical documentation but when asked for Cheney's emails his response was that as President of The Senate he was not obligated to save the emails because he was a member of The Legislature. Double standard much. Republicans scream like little babies all at the same time offering absolutely nothing to the future of this country.
Not an expert but I think there is a legal distinction between members of Congress and cabinet members, the former being exempt from document retention laws. And by the way, the same exemption applies to the President. Maybe someone can clarify and/or correct me. But if I am correct, there is no double standard. You may disagree but it is (I presume) the law and it applies the same to either political party.
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Just leave, [email protected] And go buy some balls.

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You are one seriously bitter cowboy, tex.
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