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Old 08-24-2019, 12:19 PM   #19441
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I mean, literally from the NYT article:



Dude drafted it, I'm going to go with his word over yours
I quite literally just quoted him and how he was applying it. Not being able to take someone to court. The United States can take illegal immigrants to court, so by Trumbull's own standard, that means they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Also, that's an opinion piece that you're referencing... where the guy chose to leave out the rest of the quote.
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:17 PM   #19442
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Is there anything more boring than arguing about legalities


Yes. Reading your posts.
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Old 08-25-2019, 01:35 PM   #19444
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Trump should basically tell China to play ball now or hope he loses 2020, because if he wins he's going to destroy their economy. Get them to the table now to mitigate any risk of a DGAF-Can't-run-again Trump 2020+.
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Old 08-25-2019, 05:38 PM   #19445
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Yes. Reading your posts.
And yet, you keep replying
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Old 08-26-2019, 07:02 AM   #19446
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ahem

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chi...-year-flatline
China announces it seeks 'calm' end to trade war, as markets tank and currency hits 11-year flatline
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:22 AM   #19447
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Trump should basically tell China to play ball now or hope he loses 2020, because if he wins he's going to destroy their economy. Get them to the table now to mitigate any risk of a DGAF-Can't-run-again Trump 2020+.
Think a crappy economy will make Xi worried about getting re-elected? The people that actually make the decisions in China aren't worried about where their next meals will be coming from.

Trump has to stay popular to get re-elected. Xi and the CPC just have to retain control over the military to stay in power.

I'm not saying Trump should go easy on China, but assuming the guy across the table is playing the same game you are is a bad idea.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:24 AM   #19448
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China has to worry about his neighboring pals, if China's economy hits the fan I'm pretty sure those small neighbors economy would hit the fan also.
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Old 08-26-2019, 02:24 PM   #19449
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https://www.commondreams.org/views/2...e-nuclear-deal

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France Upstages Trump at G7 by Inviting Iran to Salvage Nuclear Deal


Just look at that sad, miserable face. I think he now realizes none is taking him seriously, he has that sad face every time he is around world leaders (except the autocrats like Kim Jong Un, Putin, Bolsonaro).
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Old 08-26-2019, 02:39 PM   #19450
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Were they able to salvage the nuclear deal?
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Old 08-26-2019, 03:35 PM   #19451
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Trump's incompetence has basically forced our allies to plan for a world in which the US President is not a central figure. His domestic "America First" policy has manifest in a western "Everyone But America" policy. Trump is hands-down the biggest threat to American global democratic stewardship.

Russia and its useful idiots in #MAGA hats have pulled off one of the biggest victories against the West since the allies gave half of Europe to Stalin.

The country that will soon be coming in a close 2nd after they finalize putting themselves into a great depression is Great Britain. Russia won there too to the point that Britain will potentially be cut out of discussions like this since they're going full xenophobe and entrenchment in their politics as well.

You will basically be left with a main land Europe trying to dictate a lot of international policy while I suspect Russia in 2020, after Britain goes through with Brexit will start to drum up the war machine and propaganda for countries to come back to the motherland while Trump, Boris and a few others, start acting like Neville Chamberlain.

Countries like Poland, Romania and Hungary are becoming ripe to become part of what I'd call the "Russia Reformation".
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Old 08-26-2019, 03:43 PM   #19452
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Old 08-26-2019, 04:13 PM   #19453
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100% chance they fvcked that day
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Old 08-26-2019, 04:26 PM   #19454
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100% chance they fvcked that day
Yes, because all Europeans who do the 2-cheek air kiss are required to follow up soon thereafter with coitus.

I really did not know 13-year old boys could run pawnshops. Good for you, you little over achiever! Soon you will learn about real sex and not just how to choke your chicken.
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Trump's incompetence has basically forced our allies to plan for a world in which the US President is not a central figure. His domestic "America First" policy has manifest in a western "Everyone But America" policy. Trump is hands-down the biggest threat to American global democratic stewardship.

Russia and its useful idiots in #MAGA hats have pulled off one of the biggest victories against the West since the allies gave half of Europe to Stalin.

The country that will soon be coming in a close 2nd after they finalize putting themselves into a great depression is Great Britain. Russia won there too to the point that Britain will potentially be cut out of discussions like this since they're going full xenophobe and entrenchment in their politics as well.

You will basically be left with a main land Europe trying to dictate a lot of international policy while I suspect Russia in 2020, after Britain goes through with Brexit will start to drum up the war machine and propaganda for countries to come back to the motherland while Trump, Boris and a few others, start acting like Neville Chamberlain.

Countries like Poland, Romania and Hungary are becoming ripe to become part of what I'd call the "Russia Reformation".


Was that a yes or no? What is the latest on the nuclear deal?
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Yes, because all Europeans who do the 2-cheek air kiss are required to follow up soon thereafter with coitus.

I really did not know 13-year old boys could run pawnshops. Good for you, you little over achiever! Soon you will learn about real sex and not just how to choke your chicken.
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Who? Donald and Justin?
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I got the joke. I was just pointing out that your joke was something only a 13-year old would be proud of.
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Think a crappy economy will make Xi worried about getting re-elected? The people that actually make the decisions in China aren't worried about where their next meals will be coming from.

Trump has to stay popular to get re-elected. Xi and the CPC just have to retain control over the military to stay in power.

I'm not saying Trump should go easy on China, but assuming the guy across the table is playing the same game you are is a bad idea.
No doubt, but we can decimate their economy (and we should). They are thieves and are trying to destroy our economy.
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Old 08-26-2019, 06:57 PM   #19460
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No doubt, but we can decimate their economy (and we should). They are thieves and are trying to destroy our economy.
Given your simplistic Manichean binary, I suspect you would harbor such emotions. In reality, our economies are so intertwined that to decimate one would decimate the other.

Is China blameless? Of course not but that doesn't necessarily recommend Trump's aged, blunt-instrument tariffs approach to address those trade issues. Building alliances with allies with similar concerns regarding Chinese economic hegemony would be a far more efficient and effective approach.

Trump, in his usual simplistic contrarianism, crudely tramples that concerted strategy, leaving us to butt heads with China essentially alone, and thus in a much weaker posture.

Could we "prevail" in Trump's cage-match approach? Perhaps, in the sense we would be the last man standing, but likely in a hugely damaged and diminished state.

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