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Old 06-25-2016, 09:51 AM   #21
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So explain why the military is overwhelmingly conservative if conservatives are merely expecting others to serve? You're premise is, once again, incorrect. Conservatives are more likely to volunteer to serve, and conservatives who don't serve are vastly more appreciative of the sacrifices of those who serve. What is the political party of (a) the last president to implement the draft and (b) the last president to end the draft?

To be clear, I acknowledge many liberals have and will serve. I am directing my criticism at your type of liberal pathology that fortunately remains extreme and, of course, wrong.
There is a wide array of reasons and motivations for serving in the military. IIRC, liberal Vermont (Bernie's state) has a relatively high proportion serving - on a par with Alabama or Texas. I would disagree with your contention the liberals are unappreciative of those who serve, even if they're more questioning and discerning about the use of military force, a reticence shared with libertarians by the way.

Not sure the relevance of the party of the President was regarding the draft, which is done by an Act of Congress anyway.

Personally, reinstating the draft might not be a bad idea to get a far broader representation and skinny the game across from across our. Probably the least represented slice of our society, militarily, are rich white people regardless of political leaning. Perhaps we'd have fewer hung go chicken hawks to get us into debacles like Iraq.

There is also a wide array of ways to serve our society too outside the military - the civil service for one.
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Old 06-25-2016, 09:57 AM   #22
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There is a wide array of reasons and motivations for serving in the military. IIRC, liberal Vermont (Bernie's state) has a relatively high proportion serving - on a par with Alabama or Texas. I would disagree with your contention the liberals are unappreciative of those who serve, even if they're more questioning and discerning about the use of military force, a reticence shared with libertarians by the way.

Not sure the relevance of the party of the President was regarding the draft, which is done by an Act of Congress anyway.

Personally, reinstating the draft might not be a bad idea to get a far broader representation and skinny the game across from across our. Probably the least represented slice of our society, militarily, are rich white people regardless of political leaning. Perhaps we'd have fewer hung go chicken hawks to get us into debacles like Iraq.

There is also a wide array of ways to serve our society too outside the military - the civil service for one.
Reading comprehension fail. I didn't say all liberals are unappreciative, only that conservatives are more appreciative. You are quite adept at scoring points in a game no one else is playing. Do you give yourself a trophy as well?

And of course you support conscription - forcing others to do for you is reflexive.
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You're right, I'd guess conservatives are.037% more appreciative than liberals.

I assume in our next war we can look for you down at the local recruiting station, don't want others doing the fighting for you.

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Old 06-25-2016, 10:50 AM   #24
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So explain why the military is overwhelmingly conservative if conservatives are merely expecting others to serve? You're premise is, once again, incorrect. Conservatives are more likely to volunteer to serve, and conservatives who don't serve are vastly more appreciative of the sacrifices of those who serve. What is the political party of (a) the last president to implement the draft and (b) the last president to end the draft?



To be clear, I acknowledge many liberals have and will serve. I am directing my criticism at your type of liberal pathology that fortunately remains extreme and, of course, wrong.

The last potus to implement a draft was Ronald Reagan. I know, I had to register for it when he signed it into law.
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Reading comprehension fail. I didn't say all liberals are unappreciative, only that conservatives are more appreciative. You are quite adept at scoring points in a game no one else is playing. Do you give yourself a trophy as well?

And of course you support conscription - forcing others to do for you is reflexive.
Conscription doesn't mean making other people serve in the military. It actually means everyone has an equal chance of being selected (depending on what loopholes are added to the bill).

Saying that conservatives are more appreciative is also deceptive. No matter the political affiliation, most career politicians never served and basically use support for the armed services to gain votes.
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Well you better get comfortable with it. Its not going anywhere for awhile.

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The last potus to implement a draft was Ronald Reagan. I know, I had to register for it when he signed it into law.

Uh, wat? If you mean extending Carter's policy after establishing the MMTF to review the issue (which in fairness one of his campaign platforms was abolishing the selective service ((note that the SS and draft were not synonymous)), then sure I guess you could twist that around to say "Reagan was the last POTUS to implement the draft" although it's not an honest statement.
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Wasn't Charlie Rangel the one always introducing a bill to bring back the draft?
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Because we don't have a thread in the general section
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Because we don't have a thread in the general section
We need a #Poliexit. Take our forum back. There exists no border between OT and PoliTalk. Both are classified as subforums within The Off-Topic. We need to take our forum back, folks.

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Well you better get comfortable with it. Its not going anywhere for awhile.
Guess we could take the North Korea approach and seal ourselves in from all those "others." Give me a moment to research how well that's worked out for them...

Oh, not well at all.

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The last potus to implement a draft was Ronald Reagan. I know, I had to register for it when he signed it into law.
Selective service is not the same as the draft. So you're incorrect. And I know because I too had to register on my 18th birthday.
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Uh, wat? If you mean extending Carter's policy after establishing the MMTF to review the issue (which in fairness one of his campaign platforms was abolishing the selective service ((note that the SS and draft were not synonymous)), then sure I guess you could twist that around to say "Reagan was the last POTUS to implement the draft" although it's not an honest statement.
rdsesq is incorrect. Whether he is ignorant or just being dishonest is something he alone can answer.
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Conscription doesn't mean making other people serve in the military. It actually means everyone has an equal chance of being selected (depending on what loopholes are added to the bill).

Saying that conservatives are more appreciative is also deceptive. No matter the political affiliation, most career politicians never served and basically use support for the armed services to gain votes.
I say conservatives, and somehow you construe that as applying only to politicians. Why? Are there no conservatives in the general populace?
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rdsesq is incorrect. Whether he is ignorant or just being dishonest is something he alone can answer.

The ignorance is yours. Draft is compulsory recruitment for military service. Conscription is compulsory enlistments or state service, typically the military.

It's OK. It is a common mistake. Most people confuse the two. Registering for selective service is a draft. If the govt called people up from the selective service data, that is conscription.
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I say conservatives, and somehow you construe that as applying only to politicians. Why? Are there no conservatives in the general populace?

There are no conservatives in the general population, just the deluded. :p
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Well you better get comfortable with it. Its not going anywhere for awhile.
Seems like backlash in effect
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Seems like backlash in effect
Maybe. And it could be a misdirected backlash. A large portion of people that voted leave were poor, not well educated (high portion of leave vote didn't have a HS eduation), and felt they were being excluded from any economic benefits. Very similar to the profile of a Trump supporter. Perhaps it isn't globalization that is responsible but their lack of access and benefit of progressive policies.

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Supposedly 5 more countries are thinking about leaving...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...-Europe-Brexit

Those stupid Europeans don't learn huh? The whole "state" thing barely works here, and it's one country...what made those fvcktards think it could work there lol
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Maybe. And it could be a misdirected backlash. A large portion of people that voted leave were poor, not well educated (high portion of leave vote didn't have a HS eduation), and felt they were being excluded from any economic benefits. Very similar to the profile of a Trump supporter. Perhaps it isn't globalization that is responsible but their lack of access and benefit of progressive policies.
Possibly, but I think you're also equating education with intelligence. They are quite different.
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