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Old 08-29-2017, 05:48 PM   #81
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Still waiting, he must be at the library researching
While I'm browsing the shelves, perhaps you could first take the time to answer my earlier questions:

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So are you suggesting that socialism, being somehow (arguably) distinguished as something intrinsically particular to homogeneous white countries indicates that:

Socialism is a good socioeconomic system because it predominates in northern European countries (i.e., only predominantly white, European countries are somehow amenable to this superior socioeconomic system), or

Predominantly white northern Europeans are stupid because they fall for the socialism you bash so much?
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While I'm browsing the shelves, perhaps you could first take the time to answer my earlier questions:
My answer will be reliant upon yours, so go ahead and tell us captain socialism
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My answer will be reliant upon yours, so go ahead and tell us captain socialism
Well, without adequate research, my response will of course have to be limited. For one thing, you're a bit vague on "homogeneous." Is that politically, socially, religiously, economically, linguistically or what? Some, like Iceland, are fairly homogeneous on many of those factors. Other bigger social democracies significantly less so.

I don't think being white has any intrinsic qualities regarding successful social democracies. Japan, as you might have noticed, is not terribly white or European.


Now your turn. What's the relationship between cultural and racial homogeneity and economic systems?
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Well, without adequate research, my response will of course have to be limited. For one thing, you're a bit vague on "homogeneous." Is that politically, socially, religiously, economically, linguistically or what? Some, like Iceland, are fairly homogeneous on many of those factors. Other bigger social democracies significantly less so.

I don't think being white has any intrinsic qualities regarding successful social democracies. Japan, as you might have noticed, is not terribly white or European.


Now your turn. What's the relationship between cultural and racial homogeneity and economic systems?
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And that's your only response?

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I can only conclude you've ceded the point.
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And that's your only response?

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I can only conclude you've ceded the point.
What is the point?
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And that's your only response?

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I can only conclude you've ceded the point.
You've evaded the question in true dhumb fashion. You get the response you deserve.
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What is the point?
That's what I was trying to discern.

AOG was implying some relationship between (successful?) socialism and homogeneous white cultures. Given his affection for the former and disdain for the latter, his statement was rather puzzling. Now he's Riverdancing all around it.

Perhaps you can explain it to me because AOG's obviously unwilling to. I didn't see any causal relationship between being a homogeneous white society and a successful implementation of social democracies.
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That's what I was trying to discern.

AOG was implying some relationship between (successful?) socialism and homogeneous white cultures. Given his affection for the former and disdain for the latter, his statement was rather puzzling. Now he's Riverdancing all around it.

Perhaps you can explain it to me because AOG's obviously unwilling to. I didn't see any causal relationship between being a homogeneous white society and a successful implementation of social democracies.
Why doesn't it work anywhere else? What's the magic key?

Common language
Common culture
Common religion
Common history

Choose which apply, then explain why it doesn't work in culturally homogeneous Latin American countries.
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Why doesn't it work anywhere else? What's the magic key?

Common language
Common culture
Common religion
Common history

Choose which apply, then explain why it doesn't work in culturally homogeneous Latin American countries.
And yet works well in culturally homogeneous Japan brimming with non-white people?

Perhaps because those Nordic countries are above 50-degrees North latitude. Hmmm, so is Canada with its socialistic national healthcare system, despite being a rather diverse country...

Latin American countries have their own unique histories and problems, especially Venezuela. And they are all well below 50-degrees north latitude.

Given your criteria for success of Social Democracy, I guess we here in the U.S. are consigned to second-rate Capitalism.

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Old 08-30-2017, 02:55 PM   #91
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lol if you think that's bad come live in the US for a bit. We have the same problems as you but without any of the benefits. Things went downhill since the 2008 recession everywhere in the world and still haven't fully recovered, you are not a unique case.


I'm not talking about an economic recession. I am talking about a fundamental and irreversible change to our society We have gone from a peaceful nation to one where murder and hand grenade attacks are now commonplace.
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I'm not talking about an economic recession. I am talking about a fundamental and irreversible change to our society We have gone from a peaceful nation to one where murder and hand grenade attacks are now commonplace.
Commonplace?

Sweden's murder rate is low and essentially unchanged over the past decade, and is roughly a quarter of the U.S.'s rate (which has fallen quite a bit the past decade):

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...995&view=chart

I don't have any data on hand grenade attacks though.

Your dystopian views on crime in Sweden -- interestingly mirroring Trump's own such dystopian views of American crime -- simply runs counter to actual facts.

Also, the contention that it's immigrants causing a disproportionate number of crimes is unsupported by data:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...on-and-sweden/

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What about claims linking new arrivals and crime?

"In general, crime statistics have gone down the last (few) years, and no there is no evidence to suggest that new waves of immigration has lead to increased crime," said Henrik Selin, political scientist and deputy director of the Swedish Institute.

Generally, there’s a certain over-representation of people with immigrant background in crime statistics, but that tends to be closely related to high levels of unemployment, poverty, exclusion, low language and other skills, Selin said. "Swedes with these characteristics are also overrepresented in crime statistics," he said.
Crime in Sweden
This, too, shows crime in Sweden to be fairly stable the past decade or so.


Sorry to be the one to break the news that Sweden is not becoming some crime-ridden hell hole.
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Old 08-30-2017, 06:27 PM   #93
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The key word in that graph is "reported".
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Police use a special code when crime is committed by foreigner to keep it from showing up in statistics. It is otherwise not allowed to keep statistics on the background of the perpetrator, since that is deemed irrelevant according to the ruling parties here in Sweden. Wasn't always the case though, older info is available.

According to Tino Sanandaji, an economist with iranian background, published the following verifiable stats:
53% serving long jail sentences are foreigners.
76% of those in gangs have non Swedish backgrounds.
Despite "only" making up about 15-20% of the population. Others point to foreigners being 2.5 times more likely to be behind a crime.

Some of this you will say is because of socioeconomic reasons. Don't try to tell me that the numbers of rapes and sexual assaults can be explained by someone being poor etc...

Statistics from neighboring Norway are available and paint a similar picture. Difference being we've taken in way more people so it's gotten out of control

Murder rates rising
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/kr...i-sverige-okar

10 hand grenade attacks in 2015, 27 this year...
https://www.svd.se/svenska-attacker-...r-ut-i-varlden
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I'm not talking about an economic recession. I am talking about a fundamental and irreversible change to our society We have gone from a peaceful nation to one where murder and hand grenade attacks are now commonplace.
Jesus fucking christ. Hand grenade attacks are common in Sweden? How many people get killed on a daily basis in Sweden? I bet it's not anywhere close to the numbers that Chicago gets on a daily basis. Like I said come live in the US for a bit, check out the southside of Chicago and try not to get shot.

You also mentioned various budget cuts, those are ECONOMIC problems that have nothing to do with "irreversible change to our society". Every western country went through austerity measures during the last 10 years in one way or another.

I still don't understand why you are conflating immigration and Socialism. They are mutually exclusive.
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Socialism fails again. BUT, let's remember what some prominent heros of the left said:

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Sean Penn

Actor Sean Penn met with Hugo Chavez on numerous occasions, describing him as a "fascinating guy" who did "incredible things for the 80% of the people that are very poor there."

After Chávez's death in 2013, Penn said that the "United States lost a friend it never knew it had" while "poor people around the world lost a champion."

"Venezuela and its revolution will endure under the proven leadership of vice president Nicolas Maduro," he continued.

As Venezuela descends into chaos there is dead silence from all the leftists from @MMFlint to Sean Penn who cozied up to Hugo Chavez

- Dinesh D'Souza (@DineshDSouza) April 20, 2017

Oliver Stone

Film director Oliver Stone was such a fan of Chávez and the rise Latin American socialism that he made a film about it, entitled South of the Border. In the film, he conducted interviews with the continent's left-wing leaders, including Chávez, Cuba's Raúl Castro, Argentina's Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, and Bolivia's Evo Morales.

Chávez received the film so well that he joined Stone for its premiere at the 2009 Venice Film Festival, describing him as "a genius of cinema."

"I mourn a great hero to the majority of his people and those who struggle throughout the world for a place," Stone said after Chávez's death. "Hated by the entrenched classes, Hugo Chávez will live forever in history."

Hated by the entrenched classes, Hugo Chavez will live forever in history. My friend, rest finally in a peace long earned. 2/2

- Oliver Stone (@TheOliverStone) March 6, 2013

Jesse Jackson

Civil rights activist Jesse Jackson visited Caracas in 2005 to apologize for remarks by TV evangelist Pat Robertson in which he called for Chávez's assassination.

Addressing the Venezuelan parliament, Jackson said there was no evidence that Venezuela posed a threat to the United States, while praising Chávez for his "focus on foreign debt, debt relief, and free and fair trade to overcome years of structural disorder, unnecessary military spending, [and] land reform."

After Chávez's death, Jackson also offered a prayer at his funeral while celebrating his socialist legacy.

"Hugo fed the hungry. He lifted the poor. He raised their hopes. He helped them realize their dreams. And, so, today we do mourn, because we've lost a lot. But we have a lot left - a stable government, an orderly transition," he said.

Michael Moore

Unlike others in Hollywood, filmmaker Michael Moore did not share a close relationship with Chávez. However, the pair did meet at the 2009 Venice Film Festival and, after Chávez's death, Moore praised him for "eliminating 75 percent of extreme poverty" while "[providing] free health and education for all."

Hugo Chavez declared the oil belonged 2 the ppl. He used the oil $ 2 eliminate 75% of extreme poverty, provide free health & education 4 all

- Michael Moore (@MMFlint) March 6, 2013

Before they cheeleaded us into the Iraq War, the US media was busy cheering on the overthrow of Chavez: http://t.co/xTzJ4kGJyU

- Michael Moore (@MMFlint) March 6, 2013

Jeremy Corbyn

The leader of the British Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn, currently standing to be the country's next prime minister, was an avid supporter of Hugo Chávez and the Venezuelan regime.

Following his death in 2013, Corbyn thanked Chávez for allegedly insuring "that the poor matter and wealth can be shared," adding he had made "massive contributions to Venezuela and the world."

Thanks Hugo Chavez for showing that the poor matter and wealth can be shared. He made massive contributions to Venezuela & a very wide world

- Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) March 5, 2013
Just to be clear, the wealthiest woman in the country is....SHOCKINGLY...Chavez's daughter

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ew-report.html
Being the ex-President's daughter pays off: Hugo Chavez's ambassador daughter is Venezuela's richest woman
Hugo Chavez famously declared 'being rich is bad' and during his lifetime railed against the wealthy for being lazy and gluttonous

Because hypocrite
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It is contagious, Fidel Castro's grandson:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nat...223928565.html
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U.S. Backs Opposition Leader In Venezuela's Political Showdown

Who is the leader of Venezuela? That's the question many are asking after Juan Gerardo Guaidó Márquez declared himself interim president at a rally Wednesday in the capital, Caracas. Guaidó's claim was promptly backed up by the governments of the U.S., the European Union, Canada and several Latin American countries. Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro called the move a plot to overthrow him and said he was cutting all diplomatic relations with the United States.
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019...ader-venezuela
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#1 Asylum request: Venezuela

He will be assassinated or arrested shortly.

Also: looks like the British are gunning for regime change. I feel sorry for the locals.




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Commonplace?

Sweden's murder rate is low and essentially unchanged over the past decade, and is roughly a quarter of the U.S.'s rate (which has fallen quite a bit the past decade):

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...995&view=chart

I don't have any data on hand grenade attacks though.

Your dystopian views on crime in Sweden -- interestingly mirroring Trump's own such dystopian views of American crime -- simply runs counter to actual facts.

Also, the contention that it's immigrants causing a disproportionate number of crimes is unsupported by data:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...on-and-sweden/



Crime in Sweden
This, too, shows crime in Sweden to be fairly stable the past decade or so.


Sorry to be the one to break the news that Sweden is not becoming some crime-ridden hell hole.
Except sweden stopped reporting heaps of crime for the sake of political correctness. Sweden is absolutely a crime ridden cesspool.
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