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Old 08-23-2019, 05:15 PM   #881
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Wyoming is just an example, plenty more states with unfair advantages that DO sway the elections when combined. We both know the politics in the US would be more representative if we got rid of the EC.



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I don't see any compelling reason why politics would be any more representative without the EC. All we'd have is a President who represents the largest cities in the country, and nothing else. That's hardly representative of the country, and that's already accomplished within the House of Representatives.
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What about land size? California is around 164,000 sq. miles and Wyoming is around 98,000 sq. miles. California is just of twice as much, but has 18X the number of votes...
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Sore loser arguments against the EC, yawn.

There would be no USA without it, period.
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Democrats may not like what happens if they actually got rid of the EC. States like NY, IL and CA have massive right-leaning populations that have been beaten into apathy due to the EC. If their vote actually counted they might turn out and the democrats may not like the results.

That being said, we're a republic and every state should have a say. The current system is genius.
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Sore loser arguments against the EC, yawn.

There would be no USA without it, period.


I think that’s what they want.
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Old 08-24-2019, 12:30 PM   #887
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I don't see any compelling reason why politics would be any more representative without the EC. All we'd have is a President who represents the largest cities in the country, and nothing else. That's hardly representative of the country, and that's already accomplished within the House of Representatives.
Largest cities, by that you mean largest population numbers, largest tax payers, largest resource providers, largest job providers, largest EVERYTHING. Largest set of people who have to live with the rules set by someone who they didn't vote for.

If you were to find yourself stranded on an island with 9 other strangers and 3 of them proposed to eat all the resources immediately but the other 7 people proposed to ration them out, what do you think would happen?
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Largest cities, by that you mean largest population numbers, largest tax payers, largest resource providers, largest job providers, largest EVERYTHING. Largest set of people who have to live with the rules set by someone who they didn't vote for.

If you were to find yourself stranded on an island with 9 other strangers and 3 of them proposed to eat all the resources immediately but the other 7 people proposed to ration them out, what do you think would happen?
United States of America

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Yes, this country is a collection of smaller parts, like every other country.
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Largest cities, by that you mean largest population numbers, largest tax payers, largest resource providers, largest job providers, largest EVERYTHING. Largest set of people who have to live with the rules set by someone who they didn't vote for.

EVERYTHING?

They are not the largest producers of food.
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EVERYTHING?

They are not the largest producers of food.
California is Largest Food Producer in the US. Just sayin'
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California is Largest Food Producer in the US. Just sayin'


They don’t produce it in the cities - and that’s the point.
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Largest cities, by that you mean largest population numbers, largest tax payers, largest resource providers, largest job providers, largest EVERYTHING. Largest set of people who have to live with the rules set by someone who they didn't vote for.

If you were to find yourself stranded on an island with 9 other strangers and 3 of them proposed to eat all the resources immediately but the other 7 people proposed to ration them out, what do you think would happen?
Yep, I definitely remember seeing all the huge farms in large cities like Seattle, definitely the largest everything. And it's extremely laughable that you think the president sets the rules.
Your "stranded on an island" analogy is equally laughable. Where is the largest call for increased taxes, free college, free healthcare, UBI, etc. coming from? The cities. That would make them the 3 proposing to eat all the resources immediately segment from your analogy..
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EVERYTHING?

They are not the largest producers of food.
or energy
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California is Largest Food Producer in the US. Just sayin'


By Cali is second only to Nebraska in acres under irrigation.
https://www.agweb.com/article/which-...NAA-ben-potter

Ever heard of the Central Valley?
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Yep, I definitely remember seeing all the huge farms in large cities like Seattle, definitely the largest everything. And it's extremely laughable that you think the president sets the rules.
Your "stranded on an island" analogy is equally laughable. Where is the largest call for increased taxes, free college, free healthcare, UBI, etc. coming from? The cities. That would make them the 3 proposing to eat all the resources immediately segment from your analogy..
You are missing the point. Consuming all the resources isn't the point, the point is that the majority decides what goes. It literally does't matter what the issue is as long as the majority agrees on it and has to live with the consequences. We could change our entire country to some super strict sharia law way of living but it wouldn't happen because the majority wouldn't agree on it. That's the beauty of Democracy.

I live in Chicago, there are other 3 million people living here and almost no one agrees with the current administration's policies. We are paying the majority of taxes, creating the most resources and yet have almost no say in how this country should be run. Quite frankly I'm amazed the white house wasn't burned down yet. The current system is ridiculous and unsustainable.
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You live in Chicago now? You just said you were ex pat
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You are missing the point. Consuming all the resources isn't the point, the point is that the majority decides what goes. It literally does't matter what the issue is as long as the majority agrees on it and has to live with the consequences. We could change our entire country to some super strict sharia law way of living but it wouldn't happen because the majority wouldn't agree on it. That's the beauty of Democracy.

I live in Chicago, there are other 3 million people living here and almost no one agrees with the current administration's policies. We are paying the majority of taxes, creating the most resources and yet have almost no say in how this country should be run. Quite frankly I'm amazed the white house wasn't burned down yet. The current system is ridiculous and unsustainable.
You seem to be misunderstanding how our country works.

And I seriously doubt Chicago is creating the most resources. I'm sure you're referring to Illinois alone here. But what Chicago creates comes from resources outside of Chicago. Unless Chicago has a bunch of steel mines, tons of farms, a bunch of power plants, etc, all of this within city limits. Which they don't.
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You seem to be misunderstanding how our country works.

And I seriously doubt Chicago is creating the most resources. I'm sure you're referring to Illinois alone here. But what Chicago creates comes from resources outside of Chicago. Unless Chicago has a bunch of steel mines, tons of farms, a bunch of power plants, etc, all of this within city limits. Which they don't.
In his defense they produce a ton of horrible accents, corrupt politicians, gangsters and fake pizza
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California is Largest Food Producer in the US. Just sayin'
Take a trip out to Merced and Bakersfield to see if the political climate is any different than SF or LA. Report back on what you find.


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You are missing the point. Consuming all the resources isn't the point, the point is that the majority decides what goes. It literally does't matter what the issue is as long as the majority agrees on it and has to live with the consequences. We could change our entire country to some super strict sharia law way of living but it wouldn't happen because the majority wouldn't agree on it. That's the beauty of Democracy.

I live in Chicago, there are other 3 million people living here and almost no one agrees with the current administration's policies. We are paying the majority of taxes, creating the most resources and yet have almost no say in how this country should be run. Quite frankly I'm amazed the white house wasn't burned down yet. The current system is ridiculous and unsustainable.
No, the majority doesn't decide. The whole point of the US system of govt is to strike a balance between letting the majority rule and protecting individuals from the power of the majority. And it's a horrible system, until you consider all the alternatives and realize that despite all it's flaws, it's the best ever conceived and implemented.

The US is founded on democratic principles, but it's not a Democracy and only ignorant people insist that it is or should be. You would not want to live in an unrestricted Democracy because once the majority became convinced of something, they could do any damn thing they want to you or anyone else and it would be legal.
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