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Old 02-05-2019, 07:27 PM   #61
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Gavin McInnes, the founder of the far-right, all-male group Proud Boys, has filed a defamation lawsuit against the Southern Poverty Law Center.

SPLC has labeled the Proud Boys a hate group and has published a series of articles with examples of racist, misogynistic and transphobic quotes.

McInnes is perhaps best known as a co-founder of Vice Media, a position he left in 2008. He founded the Proud Boys group in 2016, describing it as a "men's club that meets about once a month to drink beer."

The SPLC has said the reality is more complicated. "McInnes plays a duplicitous rhetorical game: rejecting white nationalism and, in particular, the term 'alt-right' (sounds like someone we know) while espousing some of its central tenets," the center states.

Additionally, it states, "rank-and-file Proud Boys and leaders regularly spout white nationalist memes and maintain affiliations with known extremists. They are known for anti-Muslim and misogynistic rhetoric. Proud Boys have appeared alongside other hate groups at extremist gatherings like the 'Unite the Right' rally in Charlottesville."
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Ilhan Omar walks back her tweets, apologizes for remarks condemned as anti-Semetic.

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Curious, what positions does he hold that are "far right"? Are you able to lay them out, or is this another ORANGE MAN ALT BAD situation?
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Ilhan Omar walks back her tweets, apologizes for remarks condemned as anti-Semetic.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/11/polit...ash/index.html
Good for her for doing so, as she well should have done. Also good for the highest levels of the Dem Congressional leadership for immediately calling her out on that Tweet. Serves as a good example for all parties.
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Curious, what positions does he hold that are "far right"? Are you able to lay them out, or is this another ORANGE MAN ALT BAD situation?
Seriously, what positions does he hold that aren't "far right," unless you've redefined its definition so far to the right horizon that effectively anything else is to the left?
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Seriously, what positions does he hold that aren't "far right," unless you've redefined its definition so far to the right horizon that effectively anything else is to the left?
Tell me, what is "far right" about him? Please cite specific examples. If you can't come up with anything other than "he's an a-hole who refuses to be PC" I will accept your apology now.
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Whenever I hear Proud Boys, the Lost Boys come to mind.

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If you want to make a statement that we all ought to get on board to fight poverty, I'm with you. If you want to say that we ought to fight income inequality I'm not with you at all. Because I don't think that the rich guy stole from the poor guy. In fact rich people don't get rich by stealing from poor people because it turns out poor people don't have money.
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Good for her for doing so, as she well should have done. Also good for the highest levels of the Dem Congressional leadership for immediately calling her out on that Tweet. Serves as a good example for all parties.
I just have to wonder why it is that as soon as she got into Congress, her first order of business (after calling Trump a MFer) was to take potshots at the Jews. It's not a good look.
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I just have to wonder why it is that as soon as she got into Congress, her first order of business (after calling Trump a MFer) was to take potshots at the Jews. It's not a good look.
Can't figure the context that would make her believe that was a good move. Political Darwinism.
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Good for her for doing so, as she well should have done. Also good for the highest levels of the Dem Congressional leadership for immediately calling her out on that Tweet. Serves as a good example for all parties.
Thank heavens you posted this to demonstrate to the world your never-ending exhibition of apex-level hypocrisy.

You'd have an entire thread dedicated to any GOP politician who said the crap she did and he or she would be out of a job already.

But this one? "Good for her for doing so"

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I just have to wonder why it is that as soon as she got into Congress, her first order of business (after calling Trump a MFer) was to take potshots at the Jews. It's not a good look.
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Thank heavens you posted this to demonstrate to the world your never-ending exhibition of apex-level hypocrisy.

You'd have an entire thread dedicated to any GOP politician who said the crap she did and he or she would be out of a job already.

But this one? "Good for her for doing so"

I'll bail Rhumb out on this one. What he meant to post was, "Good for her doing so, as she well should have done so her vile remarks and prejudices can be brought to light and dragged into the public court of condemnation."
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I think he meant "good for her" for apologizing and walking back from her comments. I don't think he meant to applaud her original statements.
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Thank heavens you posted this to demonstrate to the world your never-ending exhibition of apex-level hypocrisy.

You'd have an entire thread dedicated to any GOP politician who said the crap she did and he or she would be out of a job already.

But this one? "Good for her for doing so"

Should I have modeled your instant searing rebukes of the years of far more blatant bigoted comment of say, Steve King or the very head of the GOP, Donald Trump? Might want to rethink your charge of apex-level hypocrisy given your flight-level gazillion in this area.

As I mentioned, I think it proper that she has taken full ownership of her remarks. I'll grant her a limited freshman's Mulligan in that:

She may not have fully known/appreciated the anti-semitic history of her remarks.

She seems to have been criticizing Israeli government policies (legitimate) and lobbying rather than a broad Jewish critique (not so legitimate) , which can be a treacherous shoal/distinction to accurately navigate.

Make no mistake, my comments are not an open grant of absolvement, a la the Right's for Steve King's endless record of contenanced anti-semitism.

Now, AOG, perhaps you can share your vast library of rebukes against Steve King's vast library of manifestly anti-semitic remarks, just to clear any lingering hypocrisy questions. Just want to confirm your bona fides in credibly asserting such hypocrisy on my part.
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I think he meant "good for her" for apologizing and walking back from her comments. I don't think he meant to applaud her original statements.
That is what he meant. To him, her half asses apology is enough to move on. Do you think he'd be so forgiving if a white dude said the SAME WORDS?

Do ya?
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I'll bail Rhumb out on this one. What he meant to post was, "Good for her doing so, as she well should have done so her vile remarks and prejudices can be brought to light and dragged into the public court of condemnation."
See my reply to Dave above. I know he wasn't applauding her vile remarks, he's just hypocritically fast to move on since

Democrat
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A, b or c...or all three

There would be no coming back, under any circumstances , if this was a white Christian republican doing the exact same thing.
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I think he meant "good for her" for apologizing and walking back from her comments. I don't think he meant to applaud her original statements.
Thanks, I'm certainly not defending her remarks, and neither is she. She has unequivocally apologized for her remarks.

This stands in stark constrast to the far greater number of racist, bigoted remarks, starting most egregiously from Trump on down, that have been excused in any number of ways (not being PC, telling it like it is, etc.) when that's been merely thin cover for the bigotry and racism they incorporate.
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Thanks, I'm certainly not defending her remarks, and neither is she. She has unequivocally apologized for her remarks.

This stands in stark constrast to the far greater number of racist, bigoted remarks, starting most egregiously from Trump on down, that have been excused in any number of ways (not being PC, telling it like it is, etc.) when that's been merely thin cover for the bigotry and racism they incorporate.
Name one thing trump said that's as bad....one
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See my reply to Dave above. I know he wasn't applauding her vile remarks, he's just hypocritically fast to move on since

Democrat
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A, b or c...or all three

There would be no coming back, under any circumstances , if this was a white Christian republican doing the exact same thing.
Here's a novel concept for you to gnaw on. Hold her to the same level of scrutiny as you do your lord Trump. Then see where the day takes you.
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As opposed to the vast ocean of, say, Trump "saying it as it is?"

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Show me Trump saying anything like this, I already asked once.

Hell, she retweeted a HOOK NOSED JEW comment

https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/11/o...-semitic-nose/
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