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Old 12-10-2016, 09:35 PM   #1
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Russian Involvement in Election?

Well, to cut to the chase, yes or no?
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Old 12-10-2016, 10:13 PM   #2
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Of course.

Impact? ???

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Old 12-10-2016, 10:26 PM   #3
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Old 12-11-2016, 06:11 AM   #4
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New word of the day? You said it in response to badfast's post in the other thread.
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Old 12-11-2016, 06:21 AM   #5
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New word of the day? You said it in response to badfast's post in the other thread.
New word of the political season for him, lol
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If solid evidence comes to light that exposes level of truth to the Russian connections (not just Wikileaks, but business and political implications) would the pro-Trump people demand a revised election outcome?
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Old 12-11-2016, 08:08 AM   #9
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If solid evidence comes to light that exposes level of truth to the Russian connections (not just Wikileaks, but business and political implications) would the pro-Trump people demand a revised election outcome?
No....you know that.
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No....you know that.
This is all uncharted territory. I'm sure it would sway some minds.
How would the electoral college proceed if it can be proven?
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What is said to be the level of involvement? Altering/tampering with votes? Or just the release of emails?
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What is said to be the level of involvement? Altering/tampering with votes?
I believe the level of involvement is still uncertain. But the FBI and CIA are convinced that Russian hackers have been very active in meddling with our election process. Actual ties to the Kremlin will be very hard to prove, however.

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Hackers targeted voter registration systems in Illinois and Arizona, and the FBI alerted Arizona officials in June that Russians were behind the assault on the election system in that state.

The bureau described the threat as ďcredibleĒ and significant, ďan eight on a scale of one to 10,Ē Matt Roberts, a spokesman for Arizona Secretary of State Michele Reagan (R), said Monday. As a result, Reagan shut down the stateís voter registration system for nearly a week.

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In addition to Arizona, Illinois officials discovered an intrusion into their election system in July. Although the hackers did not alter any data, the intrusion marks the first successful compromise of a state voter registration database, federal officials said.
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Didn't the FBI said there was no involvement? Also, what constitutes "involvement?" I also find it really funny that people are butthurt about the hacking, vs the information obtained from the hacking. Seems like they are just pissed that the information made it out to the people. Tisk tisk.
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Didn't the FBI said there was no involvement? Also, what constitutes "involvement?" I also find it really funny that people are butthurt about the hacking, vs the information obtained from the hacking. Seems like they are just pissed that the information made it out to the people. Tisk tisk.
I think we're going to find out a whole lot more about the Russian involvement.

Don't forget about the information that was selectively NOT released to the people, i.e., apparently the GOP was also hacked yet not a bit of that was leaked out. Hmm...

Funny that the people who are butthurt about a big deal being made of this are fine with Russian corruption and manipulation if our electoral system since it got their guy selected.
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I think we're going to find out a whole lot more about the Russian involvement.

Don't forget about the information that was selectively NOT released to the people, i.e., apparently the GOP was also hacked yet not a bit of that was leaked out. Hmm...

Funny that the people who are butthurt about a big deal being made of this are fine with Russian corruption and manipulation if our electoral system since it got their guy selected.
Sorry, I've not seen any indictments so clearly there has been no crime, so you should move along. #DhumbassLogic
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Sorry, I've not seen any indictments so clearly there has been no crime, so you should move along. #DhumbassLogic
Investigations' are just beginning, not completed, so stay tuned Mr. False Equivalency as this might get real interesting.
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Investigations' are just beginning, not completed, so stay tuned Mr. False Equivalency as this might get real interesting.
Just applying your standards of logic (sic) as you have done re Clinton for years.
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I think we're going to find out a whole lot more about the Russian involvement.

Don't forget about the information that was selectively NOT released to the people, i.e., apparently the GOP was also hacked yet not a bit of that was leaked out. Hmm...

Funny that the people who are butthurt about a big deal being made of this are fine with Russian corruption and manipulation if our electoral system since it got their guy selected.
Well, hacking is a crime...so, even if the info was selectively released, so what? So someone meddled in our elections, Soros does it all the time, this is nothing new. The people received information and used it to cast a ballot, simple as that. Yes hacking is wrong, no one is going to deny that, that doesn't change the process. The media meddles in our elections as well, by putting out false/selective information, and yet we are ok with that.
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Well, hacking is a crime...so, even if the info was selectively released, so what? So someone meddled in our elections, Soros does it all the time, this is nothing new. The people received information and used it to cast a ballot, simple as that. Yes hacking is wrong, no one is going to deny that, that doesn't change the process. The media meddles in our elections as well, by putting out false/selective information, and yet we are ok with that.
Just so I understand, you're saying that Putin, through theft, espionage is essentially equivalent to the normal, Constitutionally-protected functions of our free press? Or anyone simply openly voicing a political opinion?

You're muddled ends-justifies-the-means, voter information transparency argument might have more legitimacy had that actually been what happened - Wikileaks dumping all at once both the hacked Dem and GOP data simultaneously rather than strategically releasing just one party's negative data to cause the most harm to that party and benefit the other. That goes far beyond some noble free-data argument.

Another aspect is that what damaging data does Putin have on Trump and the GOP and to what end is he holding that close to his vest? Political pressure, manipulation and even blackmail come immediately to mind.

Is Trump, with his notoriously opaque business/financial dealings, in hock and thus beholden to Russian business and political interests? He certainly is advocating a very conspicuously pro-Russian line of rhetoric, nominees and policies.

I presume, by the same logic you are using to excuse and normalize the Dem hacks and selective releases by Putin-proxy, Wikileaks, are hoping for similar hacks and releases of Trump's and the GOP's data? Should the people receive this information too?

Are you similarly advocating a Trump data-dump by some disgruntled IRS employee or Trump accountant?
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I appreciate whatever true information I receive. Sometimes I am troubled by the implications of how that information was obtained.

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