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Old 02-24-2014, 12:23 PM   #61
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Old 02-24-2014, 12:26 PM   #62
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Stop lying, comrade. That kind of shlt may fly in mother Russia, but it doesn't fly here.
So you agree I said the word payment twice, never did I mention the word bill ey tailerpark?
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Old 02-24-2014, 12:29 PM   #63
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Republican/libertarian assh0le playbook tip #1: When you're caught lying, double down and cover the original lie with more lies, insults, and attacks.
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Old 02-24-2014, 03:23 PM   #64
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GOP/TP and Obamacare repeal:

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Old 03-04-2014, 03:22 AM   #65
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I want to see the specific passage of ANY current legislation (state or federal) that unequivocally backs your bullshlt claim. Your wife's bill doesn't prove a goddamned thing except that she has a bill.

No dentist in this country will ever accept $36.25 as full payment for an exam, a cleaning, and x-rays because Obamacare. Ever.

Stop lying.
I don't know... at least with all of my "preferred provider" medical payments, the insurance only pays upto the "allowed" amount minus the copay. I have several bills that look similar to the one in the OP, though all the dollar values are usually 1 or 2 orders of magnitude higher. I think the reason providers go along with this is that being "preferred" by a larger insurance group theoretically brings them more customers than otherwise.

For non-preferred providers, if I'm not mistaken the insurance company pays upto the plan allowance, and I'm stuck with the rest (if anything). Until I hit the catastrophic limit anyway, which so far I've been doing every year. After that, everything's free no matter who I go to.

I'm not really sure where Obamacare fits in
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Old 03-04-2014, 07:04 AM   #66
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Should be an easy task to post up the specific Obamacare passage that mandates dental care prices, shouldn't it?

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OP claims that Obamacare forces dentist to charge $36.25 for an exam, cleaning, and x-rays, then shows wife's uterus bill as proof that it happened, challenges me to prove he's lying.

This place is a riot. No, really. A RIOT.
You like many others didn't even read a bill that became a law that you support. Therefore you can't provide evidence either. Therefore you can be perceived as "talking out of your ass" too.
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Old 03-04-2014, 08:43 AM   #67
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I'm not the one who's starting idiotic threads that contain nothing but straight-up lies.
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Old 03-04-2014, 11:06 AM   #68
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Wait, you mean dental care is covered under Obamacare? I don't think so........

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ITT- NFR doesn't understand the difference between a price negotiated between two private companies (the insurance company and the dentist office) and a federal regulation of prices.

Pro-tip- It's nothing new. The ACA doesn't change how the insurance company and the providers negotiate billable amounts for services etc. You're "proof" shows that one insurance company negotiated with one private company for preventative services to not cost hardly anything. That same contract between those same two companies may have tripled the providers profits for another more costly procedure (like braces or root canals for instance). We don't know though because that contract is between those two companies. It isn't a price structure mandated by law or else we could all see it.... ya know, like it would be if this was "because of Obamacare"...
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ITT- NFR doesn't understand the difference between a price negotiated between two private companies (the insurance company and the dentist office) and a federal regulation of prices.

Pro-tip- It's nothing new. The ACA doesn't change how the insurance company and the providers negotiate billable amounts for services etc. You're "proof" shows that one insurance company negotiated with one private company for preventative services to not cost hardly anything. That same contract between those same two companies may have tripled the providers profits for another more costly procedure (like braces or root canals for instance). We don't know though because that contract is between those two companies. It isn't a price structure mandated by law or else we could all see it.... ya know, like it would be if this was "because of Obamacare"...
Again, you do realize that insurance payments are based on medicare rates right? You do realize that medicare payments are set by the government right? The payments under Obamacare are getting even smaller (hence many hospitals and doctors dropping many insurance carriers) and if the company is dropped, that may cause a serious problem in states such as NY, that now basically has 1 health insurance carrier. (Blue Cross.)
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Again, you do realize that insurance payments are based on medicare rates right? You do realize that medicare payments are set by the government right? The payments under Obamacare are getting even smaller (hence many hospitals and doctors dropping many insurance carriers) and if the company is dropped, that may cause a serious problem in states such as NY, that now basically has 1 health insurance carrier. (Blue Cross.)
The ACA has nothing in it changing rates for services or establishing rates for medical/dental services. I say this as one of the, apparently few, people who has actually read the legislation...

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Again, you do realize that insurance payments are based on medicare rates right? You do realize that medicare payments are set by the government right? The payments under Obamacare are getting even smaller (hence many hospitals and doctors dropping many insurance carriers) and if the company is dropped, that may cause a serious problem in states such as NY, that now basically has 1 health insurance carrier. (Blue Cross.)
You do realize that Medicare doesn't cover dental, right?


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The ACA has nothing in it changing rates for services or establishing rates for medical/dental services. I say this as one of the, apparently few, people who has actually read the legislation...

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Either you are not listening, or just plain don't want to understand it.


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Obamacare reimbursement rates are lower than Medicare. Obamacare has a special disadvantage, too: a 90-day grace period. This means people can buy an Obamacare policy, have costly procedures done and then cancel the policy within 90 days.
Just because you read the legislation does not mean you

a) Understood it.
b) Understand the effects of certain aspects of it (between the lines)

http://www.beckershospitalreview.com...hysicians.html

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The amount of downward rate pressure physicians will face from payers ultimately depends on how many people enroll in the exchanges. This is what will give payers leverage, and so far enrollment has been lower than expected. Some health plans continue to offer physicians the same rates as before, according to the report. But if enrollment spikes, they may return to negotiations.
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Old 03-05-2014, 08:27 AM   #74
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Currently, Medicare will pay for dental services that are an integral part either of a covered procedure (e.g., reconstruction of the jaw following accidental injury), or for extractions done in preparation for radiation treatment for neoplastic diseases involving the jaw. Medicare will also make payment for oral examinations, but not treatment, preceding kidney transplantation or heart valve replacement, under certain circumstances. Such examination would be covered under Part A if performed by a dentist on the hospital's staff or under Part B if performed by a physician.
It doesn't cover everything, but it covers some.
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It doesn't cover everything, but it covers some.
Yes but that is only when it's related to another medically necessary procedure. Most people on Medicare can't simply walk into a dental office and say "I'm here for my free 6 month dental check-up covered by Medicare". So in essence, dental care is not provided by Medicare.
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Yes but that is only when it's related to another medically necessary procedure. Most people on Medicare can't simply walk into a dental office and say "I'm here for my free 6 month dental check-up covered by Medicare". So in essence, dental care is not provided by Medicare.
Yes, but as I showed earlier, insurance reimbursements (including dental) are based on medicare rates. Medicare rates go down, private reimbursements get dragged down with it.
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Either you are not listening, or just plain don't want to understand it.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillm...eimbursements/

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http://www.beckershospitalreview.com...hysicians.html
Can you not even read your own linked articles? Medicare rates, medicaid rates... not "Obamacare" rates.

The change in reimbursement rates is due to legislation from 1997 (as pointed out in the articles you linked by the way), NOT because of any rates set by the ACA (which, as I've informed you previously, does not set any reimbursement rates). Even given cliffs of why it's happening the only thing you can see is that the word "Obamacare" is included and thus you somehow conclude that Obamacare is setting these rates, despite how wrong that conclusion is.
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Can you not even read your own linked articles? Medicare rates, medicaid rates... not "Obamacare" rates.

The change in reimbursement rates is due to legislation from 1997 (as pointed out in the articles you linked by the way), NOT because of any rates set by the ACA (which, as I've informed you previously, does not set any reimbursement rates). Even given cliffs of why it's happening the only thing you can see is that the word "Obamacare" is included and thus you somehow conclude that Obamacare is setting these rates, despite how wrong that conclusion is.
Show me a post where I claimed Obamacare set the rates. I said Obamacare is causing reimbursements to sharply decline. I never said it legislated or mandated anything. It is simply an EFFECT.
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You are STILL fvcking lying, comrade. Stop it.

Your first post in this pos thread plainly states that obamacare is responsible for screwing some random dentist to the tune of $37 paid for $190 worth of dental procedures.

Stop fvcking lying.
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