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Old 10-11-2016, 10:49 AM   #1
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Skeet shotgun recommendations

Looking at purchasing my fist skeet/trap shotgun and need some suggestions for automatics or over/under in a 20 gauge. Will consider 12 gauge as well but prefer 20 so my 11 year old can use it as well.
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What is your budget for this kind of thing? I imagine not too crazy so perhaps a Remington 1100 is a good place to start to teach fundamentals etc.
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I love my Valmet 412s for skeet/trap, but it's a 12g. On the upside, it has two sets of barrels.....one is 12g/12g and the other is 12g/.223 (shorter barrel). The kick isn't too bad.

Edit: You can find them for sub-1k.
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Looking to keep it under 1k this time or I would purchase a Winchester 101 but thats way out of my budget.

Anyone familiar with Yildiz shotguns made in Turkey? Academy sells them for 400ish.

Remington 1100 is very nice!
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I don't know if you are much of a hunter at all, because a modified hunting shotgun will do both hunting and trap/skeet well. If you just want exclusive trap/skeet, buying a dedicated shotgun will yield the best results. The thing you have to take into account is the size of your 11 year od. You can generally get them behind an adult shotgun, but they're going to have problems with it more than if they were to have a properly sized shotgun. Many shotguns now have spacers to adjust length of pull (LOP), and the specialized trap guns will have adjustable stocks.

As far as 12ga vs 20ga, you're going to find that most semi-automatic trap guns come in 12ga. The over/under guns will have ore variety for gauge. That said, most 12ga trap loads are very light shooting and have a minimum dram, so they won't kick hard for an 11yo.

Also, it really is going to depend on how much you want to spend. It gets insanely expensive as you get to the higher levels of over/under shotguns. Semi-autos tend to be a more static in the $1k-$2k range.

For Semi-Auto, I'm a huge Benelli fan, but you have a number of good options:
Benelli Ethos
Benelli Legacy Sport
Benelli Sport II
Benelli SuperSport
Benelli Performance Shop SuperSport
Benelli Performance Shop Cordoba
Beretta A400 XCEL
Beretta A400 XCEL Multitarget
Browning Maxus Sporting
Browning Maxus Sporting Golden Clays
Browning Maxus Sporting Carbon Fiber
Winchester Super X3 (SX3) Ultimate Sporting Adjustable
Winchester SX3 Composite Sporting Carbon Fiber
Winchester SX3 Composite Sporting


Over/Under:
Beretta 690 Sporting Black
Beretta 692 Sporting Black
Beretta 692
Browning Citori XT
Browning Citori 725
Browning Cynergy Sporting
FN SC1
Winchester 101 Pigeon Trap
Custom options galore


Having said all that, if you want to keep expenses down, invest in a pump-action for now. Pretty much all pump shotguns are under $1k. There are very few over/under shotguns under $1k that can withstand the constant pounding of trap/skeet, and even fewer semi-autos in that price range that'll actually function reliably.

I would avoid Remington 1100 and 11-87. Remington's quality control is in the gutter. I also have family members with those shotguns and they're constantly blowing O-rings.
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I don't know if you are much of a hunter at all, because a modified hunting shotgun will do both hunting and trap/skeet well. If you just want exclusive trap/skeet, buying a dedicated shotgun will yield the best results. The thing you have to take into account is the size of your 11 year od. You can generally get them behind an adult shotgun, but they're going to have problems with it more than if they were to have a properly sized shotgun. Many shotguns now have spacers to adjust length of pull (LOP), and the specialized trap guns will have adjustable stocks.

As far as 12ga vs 20ga, you're going to find that most semi-automatic trap guns come in 12ga. The over/under guns will have ore variety for gauge. That said, most 12ga trap loads are very light shooting and have a minimum dram, so they won't kick hard for an 11yo.

Also, it really is going to depend on how much you want to spend. It gets insanely expensive as you get to the higher levels of over/under shotguns. Semi-autos tend to be a more static in the $1k-$2k range.

For Semi-Auto, I'm a huge Benelli fan, but you have a number of good options:
Benelli Ethos
Benelli Legacy Sport
Benelli Sport II
Benelli SuperSport
Benelli Performance Shop SuperSport
Benelli Performance Shop Cordoba
Beretta A400 XCEL
Beretta A400 XCEL Multitarget
Browning Maxus Sporting
Browning Maxus Sporting Golden Clays
Browning Maxus Sporting Carbon Fiber
Winchester Super X3 (SX3) Ultimate Sporting Adjustable
Winchester SX3 Composite Sporting Carbon Fiber
Winchester SX3 Composite Sporting


Over/Under:
Beretta 690 Sporting Black
Beretta 692 Sporting Black
Beretta 692
Browning Citori XT
Browning Citori 725
Browning Cynergy Sporting
FN SC1
Winchester 101 Pigeon Trap
Custom options galore


Having said all that, if you want to keep expenses down, invest in a pump-action for now. Pretty much all pump shotguns are under $1k. There are very few over/under shotguns under $1k that can withstand the constant pounding of trap/skeet, and even fewer semi-autos in that price range that'll actually function reliably.

I would avoid Remington 1100 and 11-87. Remington's quality control is in the gutter. I also have family members with those shotguns and they're constantly blowing O-rings.
Awesome thanks! Now I have some homework to do!
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Looking to keep it under 1k this time or I would purchase a Winchester 101 but thats way out of my budget.

Anyone familiar with Yildiz shotguns made in Turkey? Academy sells them for 400ish.
If you're at $1k, I would recommend you avoid an over/under if you buy new.
The Turkish O/U's are ok, but generally they're not very durable -- over time, you may get slop in the action, firing pins giving light strikes etc.
But if all you want is a starter shotgun to replace later, they might be fine for that.

You will probably need to spend at least $2k for a new O/U. The higher entry fee is for the precision fit needed of all the components, yet being durable to shoot thousands and thousands of shells.

I would say go for an autoloader. That Winchester SX3 that Reedo mentioned is probably one of the best price/performance autos out there.
Another one might be the Beretta A300, which a shooting buddy has and likes a lot. They go on sale every once in a while at Dicks for around $600.
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I don't know if you are much of a hunter at all, because a modified hunting shotgun will do both hunting and trap/skeet well. If you just want exclusive trap/skeet, buying a dedicated shotgun will yield the best results. The thing you have to take into account is the size of your 11 year od. You can generally get them behind an adult shotgun, but they're going to have problems with it more than if they were to have a properly sized shotgun. Many shotguns now have spacers to adjust length of pull (LOP), and the specialized trap guns will have adjustable stocks.

As far as 12ga vs 20ga, you're going to find that most semi-automatic trap guns come in 12ga. The over/under guns will have ore variety for gauge. That said, most 12ga trap loads are very light shooting and have a minimum dram, so they won't kick hard for an 11yo.

Also, it really is going to depend on how much you want to spend. It gets insanely expensive as you get to the higher levels of over/under shotguns. Semi-autos tend to be a more static in the $1k-$2k range.

For Semi-Auto, I'm a huge Benelli fan, but you have a number of good options:
Benelli Ethos
Benelli Legacy Sport
Benelli Sport II
Benelli SuperSport
Benelli Performance Shop SuperSport
Benelli Performance Shop Cordoba
Beretta A400 XCEL
Beretta A400 XCEL Multitarget
Browning Maxus Sporting
Browning Maxus Sporting Golden Clays
Browning Maxus Sporting Carbon Fiber
Winchester Super X3 (SX3) Ultimate Sporting Adjustable
Winchester SX3 Composite Sporting Carbon Fiber
Winchester SX3 Composite Sporting


Over/Under:
Beretta 690 Sporting Black
Beretta 692 Sporting Black
Beretta 692
Browning Citori XT
Browning Citori 725
Browning Cynergy Sporting
FN SC1
Winchester 101 Pigeon Trap
Custom options galore


Having said all that, if you want to keep expenses down, invest in a pump-action for now. Pretty much all pump shotguns are under $1k. There are very few over/under shotguns under $1k that can withstand the constant pounding of trap/skeet, and even fewer semi-autos in that price range that'll actually function reliably.

I would avoid Remington 1100 and 11-87. Remington's quality control is in the gutter. I also have family members with those shotguns and they're constantly blowing O-rings.
Binelli Cordoba owner here. Love it. Awesome do it all shotgun.
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So I got a Beretta A400 20 gauge. So far im VERY happy with the decision and enjoyed a great weekend of clay shooting. Very lightweight, tolerable kick, and overall well engineered.

Thanks for all the suggestions!
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Great choice! Those shotguns are very reliable and great shooters. Post up some pics.
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Stick with the 3 Bs and you should be alright. Beretta, Browning & Benelli
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We have a couple kids at the club in that age range, they are shooting Browning Citoris in 12 gauge.
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Thinking about getting the Benelli Ethos, any reason not to? How is the gun in 12 gauge? Cabella's has it for 2k or so.
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I love mine. I bought the engraved nickel model two years ago. It’s a very smooth gun. Lightweight, but not so light that it sucks to shoot field loads all day when pheasant hunting. If you are going to use it as a trap gun exclusively, I’d still recommend a dedicated purpose-built trap/skeet gun. If you are going to be doing field work, the Ethos is a great gun. My Benellis never really ever get cleaned, and they keep chugging along without issue.

I tested the Ethos recoil head-to-head against a Montefeltro, my Super Black Eagle and an M2 ComforTech. M2 had the least felt recoil. SBE was about even with the Ethos, if not slightly better for the SBE. I assume that’s because the SBE is a full pound heavier, despite the SBE not having any recoil-dampening system. The Montefeltro was noticeably highest in recoil, and there was a big gap in felt recoil from the Ethos, so the Progressive Comfort system in the Ethos is legitimately doing something.
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I love mine. I bought the engraved nickel model two years ago. It’s a very smooth gun. Lightweight, but not so light that it sucks to shoot field loads all day when pheasant hunting. If you are going to use it as a trap gun exclusively, I’d still recommend a dedicated purpose-built trap/skeet gun. If you are going to be doing field work, the Ethos is a great gun. My Benellis never really ever get cleaned, and they keep chugging along without issue.

I tested the Ethos recoil head-to-head against a Montefeltro, my Super Black Eagle and an M2 ComforTech. M2 had the least felt recoil. SBE was about even with the Ethos, if not slightly better for the SBE. I assume that’s because the SBE is a full pound heavier, despite the SBE not having any recoil-dampening system. The Montefeltro was noticeably highest in recoil, and there was a big gap in felt recoil from the Ethos, so the Progressive Comfort system in the Ethos is legitimately doing something.
Awesome, thanks for the info. My plan is to use it exclusively for target shooting, is there something else I should consider?

Appreciate the input
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The Ethos Sport is a great option. It has a raised vented rib, longer chokes, has a ported barrel, and is tuned to run lighter trap loads down to 7/8 oz. You get the same aesthetics as with the Ethos, but better outfitted or trap/skeet.
I would also recommend looking at the SuperSport, Cordoba, Performance Shop SuperSport or Performance Shop Córdoba. All have vented barrels and designs that are geared towards clays. I will say that the shotguns with the ComforTech stock will have better recoil reduction than the Progressive Comfort stock on the Ethos. The Progressive Comfort stock was a way to get ComforTech type recoil reduction in a wood stock. I think it did a decent job, but the ComforTech has proven to be demonstrably better.
Ported barrels are excellent for clays, as they keep the shotgun flatter and do a decent job at reducing recoil as well.

I would also recommend looking into the Beretta A400 series. Beretta shotguns are outstanding as well, and in terms of gas shotguns, I think they’re the best ones out there.

Otherwise, look at Beretta and Browning over/under shotguns.
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The Ethos Sport is a great option. It has a raised vented rib, longer chokes, has a ported barrel, and is tuned to run lighter trap loads down to 7/8 oz. You get the same aesthetics as with the Ethos, but better outfitted or trap/skeet.
I would also recommend looking at the SuperSport, Cordoba, Performance Shop SuperSport or Performance Shop Córdoba. All have vented barrels and designs that are geared towards clays. I will say that the shotguns with the ComforTech stock will have better recoil reduction than the Progressive Comfort stock on the Ethos. The Progressive Comfort stock was a way to get ComforTech type recoil reduction in a wood stock. I think it did a decent job, but the ComforTech has proven to be demonstrably better.
Ported barrels are excellent for clays, as they keep the shotgun flatter and do a decent job at reducing recoil as well.

I would also recommend looking into the Beretta A400 series. Beretta shotguns are outstanding as well, and in terms of gas shotguns, I think they’re the best ones out there.

Otherwise, look at Beretta and Browning over/under shotguns.
Awesome thanks for the input. I do have an A400 in 20 gauge but I might get one in 12 gauge as well.

Really appreciate the info
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How’s your A400 been?
Its been a workhorse, no complaints.
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If I wasn’t such a Benelli whore, I’d probably be a Beretta whore. Everyone I know with a Beretta shotgun loves it.
Beretta UltraLight 12ga O/U is my next shotgun purchase, though.
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