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Old 02-08-2019, 11:26 AM   #41
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Embarrassing to you?

Realistic proposals have to start somewhere. And, from what I've heard, she's calling it a framework for a starting point. Over-ambitious? Absolutely. I believe it's by design.

And shooting from the hip doesn't seem to be her method. That's more of a Trump thing.
She embarrasses herself. Throwing out buzzword-riddled hyperbole without any substance or implementation strategy is not an acceptable starting point, IMHO.

You can bring up Trump or his supporters, but that is just deflecting.

Generally speaking, I'm surprised to see how much slack she is being given.
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There is no case against immigration.
People coming here that hate this place and want to stop all the things that made it successful (like stanky) - argument against immigration
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She embarrasses herself. Throwing out buzzword-riddled hyperbole without any substance or implementation strategy is not an acceptable starting point, IMHO.

You can bring up Trump or his supporters, but that is just deflecting.

Generally speaking, I'm surprised to see how much slack she is being given.
I think if she were to write her resolution on posters using bright colored markers and hearts on the "i"'s, and tape them to the walls of the Capitol's cafeteria, it would add to the gravitas of her message. Maybe also offer free candy to get people who can correctly answer how many chambers our government has.
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For those of us wondering how someone like AOC is taken seriously by any adult anywhere, here you go.
I think her rise as an underdog is admirable, but my admiration stops there. The various talking points that come out are just hilarious.
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Old 02-08-2019, 12:16 PM   #45
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She embarrasses herself.
She doesn't appear to be very embarrassed.


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Throwing out buzzword-riddled hyperbole without any substance or implementation strategy is not an acceptable starting point, IMHO.
... you say this and follow it up with

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You can bring up Trump or his supporters, but that is just deflecting.
Build that wall!
So, which is it? When she does it, it's embarrassingly negative. Hold her feet too the fire all you like, but that is entirely what the current administration runs on. I don't know what your position is on the current administration. If you take issue with her buzzword-riddled hyperbole without any substance or implementation strategy yet support the current administration, well, I call you a hypocrite.
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Old 02-08-2019, 12:19 PM   #46
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I think her rise as an underdog is admirable, but my admiration stops there. The various talking points that come out are just hilarious.
She seems to be calling out the broken system pretty well. Not a bad talking point.

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Not a bad talking point, no.

Now, lets talk about immigration laws not applying to Latinx people, or economic stability for those unwilling to work.
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Yea... those aren't going anywhere. But, as the video shows, she's not a brainless seat warmer.
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Yea... those aren't going anywhere. But, as the video shows, she's not a brainless seat warmer.
She plays one occasionally, however.
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Apparently she plays one occasionally, however.
Don't they all?
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Yea... those aren't going anywhere. But, as the video shows, she's not a brainless seat warmer.
Her seat would be better filled with someone having more sense. I blame her voters for this nonsense. Then again, a lot of politicians are clueless and undeserving of the jobs they've been afforded.
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You are the perfect case against immigration
And you are a text book example of a Xenophobe in the wild, you vile, racist piece of sh!t. I'm doing nothing more than support ideas of American born citizens and elected Congress men and women. Meanwhile you are supporting traitors.

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People coming here that hate this place and want to stop all the things that made it successful (like stanky) - argument against immigration
Billionaires made America great? Good luck arguing that in the 2020 election
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Billionaires certainly play an historic major hand in having the resources to fund big projects and opening companies. They are the grease that allow the wheels and cogs to turn. That said, grease is pretty useless without the wheels and cogs.
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Old 02-08-2019, 01:22 PM   #54
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She doesn't appear to be very embarrassed.
She doesn't appear to realize how ridiculous she sounds, either.

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... you say this and follow it up with
I am responding to your irrelevant comment. Can you defend her without mentioning Trump? Because that is just as silly as the #ButHillary arguments in support of Trump.

Back to AOC, what I am criticizing are her proposed policies.

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So, which is it? When she does it, it's embarrassingly negative. Hold her feet too the fire all you like, but that is entirely what the current administration runs on. I don't know what your position is on the current administration. If you take issue with her buzzword-riddled hyperbole without any substance or implementation strategy yet support the current administration, well, I call you a hypocrite.
To be frank, I haven't been happy with the past few administrations for varied reasons, including this one.

In any case, though, I don't care which side of the aisle an idea or policy originates from - if it is foolish, I have no reservations being critical (and, of course, vice-a-versa).
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And you are a text book example of a Xenophobe in the wild, you vile, racist piece of sh!t. I'm doing nothing more than support ideas of American born citizens and elected Congress men and women. Meanwhile you are supporting traitors.

Billionaires made America great? Good luck arguing that in the 2020 election
Capitalism-based markets and personal freedoms made America great. You come from a failed shithole and you think you can just try it here and get a different result?

Or...maybe you know it will fail here and that's what would make you smile. Again, you are driven by nothing but ignorance and jealous. Pretty sad dude.
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Her seat would be better filled with someone having more sense. I blame her voters for this nonsense. Then again, a lot of politicians are clueless and undeserving of the jobs they've been afforded.
Agreed on all points here. She is nowhere near the worst, but certainly not a step in the right direction.
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Is this the AOC thread now?

https://www.libertyheadlines.com/moo...-repealed-aoc/

Michael Moore Wants Constitution’s Age Limit Repealed So ‘AOC’ Can ‘Crush’ Trump

I love how AOC is dragging the entire Dem party to the extreme left. This opens up the opportunity for someone like Schultz to come in as an independent candidate and try to get the votes of the more saner (less “progressive”) Dems who are not full bore socialists or communists.
This splits the Dem vote and sets up Trump for an easy victory in 2020. Keep it up, Dems!
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Capitalism-based markets and personal freedoms made America great. You come from a failed shithole and you think you can just try it here and get a different result?

Or...maybe you know it will fail here and that's what would make you smile. Again, you are driven by nothing but ignorance and jealous. Pretty sad dude.
I have nothing against Capitalism and personal freedoms, otherwise I wouldn't reside in western countries. Free markets are great which allow you to start your own business without too much Government intervention, hire fellow citizens and make a good living. I'm an example of it and I'm thankful for it. I do draw the line when such freedoms are abused and exploited at the expense of your fellow citizens. Crony Capitalism exists, it's rampant and you know it. Why deny such an universal truth and pretend that everything is perfect? You are not helping yourself or your country by doing so.

I'm not jealous of the billionaires, not in the slightest bit. I admire their lifestyle, work ethic, their achievements and strive to ascend there myself, every single day. Emotions have nothing to do with my views, it's purely pragmatic. There is no system on earth where 1% of individuals control 40% of the resources that is sustainable. If you take a look at the history of various empires you will learn that our country is bound to fail and fail spectacularly if these issues aren't addressed accordingly. Despite what you think I certainly do not wish for this to happen.
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I think her rise as an underdog is admirable, but my admiration stops there. The various talking points that come out are just hilarious.
I was genuinely happy to see her honest, uncorrupted reaction to her election victory. I have posted about it before. But having now been exposed to who she is, what she brings to the conversation and her style, I can't say I admire anything about her or her story.

She is going to be chewed up - willingly, apparently - by a political system that highlights extreme absurdity, and I think she is so naive that she thinks the attention she is getting is for the right reasons, not the wrong reasons. I truly don't think she is smart enough to understand what is happening to her. In that sense, I feel sorry for her.

There is a bit of the Trump phenomenon with her, though no one, including me, ever feels sorry for Trump. I think he is at least smart enough to know how and why he draws the negative attention, and he just doesn't care.
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