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Old 12-29-2009, 10:12 PM   #1
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Purchasing an E46 + Subframe Lawsuit?

If you were in the market for, let's say an 03-04 E46 around the summer of next year, it would make absolute sense for you to require for that car to have been inspected/fixed by BMW, given that there won't me much time left by then, right? That said, would that even show up in dealership/maintenance records that it in fact was inspected and/or repaired? And would you even buy a car that you know was previously cracked but fixed? There's a slight chance I may not buy it in time to meet the deadline, so that worries me.

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Old 12-29-2009, 10:43 PM   #2
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03-04 E46s don't really have subframe problems
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:46 PM   #3
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For the record, my '03 did not have a subframe problem
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Old 12-29-2009, 11:26 PM   #4
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03-04 E46s don't really have subframe problems
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For the record, my '03 did not have a subframe problem
Not typically, but it wouldn't hurt would it?
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Not typically, but it wouldn't hurt would it?
Umm let me rephrase what I said. 03-04 don't have subframe problems, don't worry so much
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1) 02bmw330ci - 2002 BMW 330Ci - Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears (9/12/04) 77,000 Miles
2) Cuore_alfa - 2000 BMW 323Ci - Cabrio Sub Frame (whit less than 20k miles)
3) Atrytone - 2000 BMW 328Ci - Sub Frame/Cracked 8/1/04 70,000Miles
4) Ps323ci - 2000 323ci - Sub Frame Damage (rear) - 23,000 Miles - 3/15/04
5) Mpower619 - 2000328Ci - Sub Frame Damage(left rear)-42,000 miles Oct/03
6) 3quarterI - 2001 BMW 325i - Sub Frame / Control Arm Bushing Tear - 57,000 miles
7) Tavy8010- 1999 BMW 328i- Sub Frame(Rear) / Diff. mounts torn - 70,000 miles (9/8/04)
8) bimmerchop - 2000 BMW 328i - Rear driver's side Sub Frame/ Diff. mounts torn - 25,000 miles
9) M3wannaBEE - 2000 323Ci - SubFrame - 80,000 miles
10) SharifM3- 2002 M3- Subframe ripping out of trunk -30,000 miles
11) dinane46328i- 1999 328i -subframe damage- 59,000
12) hoodust - 2000 323ci - subframe damage (fixed :reinforced) - 80,000
13) BLKMJK - 1999 328i - Subframe tear drivers side - 50,000 miles
14) sycE46 - 2000 323ci - subframe started to crack. Fixed by BMW 40,000 miles
15) Demsuga - 1999 BMW 328 i- Sub Frame Damage(left rear) - 63,000 miles (9/10/04)
16) HamannGirLR714 - 2000 328ci -subframe torn from trunk 44,500 miles
17) Asmodeus - 1999 BMW 328i- Sub Frame Rear / Diff. mounts torn - 125,000 Km
18) ///M PWR 00 - 2003 BMW M3 Coupe - Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears
19) Blazin e46 - 2000 323ci - subframe cracked - 51,000 miles (9/20/04)
20) Sir.B - 2000 328i - subframe cracked about a year ago ($600 fixed)
21) wolf328ci - 2000 328ci, Subframe torn in 2 points, 52,000 miles
22) kevmo - 1999 323i , subframe cracked 70 K
23) srcstc - 2000 BMW 323Ci - Left-rear SubFrame mount torn from trunk 08/03 55K miles, stock suspension!
24) Allen Yad - 1999 323i - subframe torn in both places, 42,000 miles
25) jtecnik- 2000 328ci - Rear driver's side Sub Frame/ Diff. mounts 77k miles
26) madmak - 1999 328i - 100,000km - both sides gaping tears - still on cpo warranty and dealer says "you should keep an eye on that!"
27) burrito007 - 323i 83000 mi subframe broke in 2003 trying to get dealer to fix but not looking promising
28) tommiexboi - 2000 328i - driver's side subframe ripping/tearing/cracking - 85,000 miles
29) yayopwr-1999 328i 95k miles- driver's side rear cracking....paying out of pocket in hopes that bmw will soon fess up and pay me back
30) ffabbroc - 2000 BMW 328Ci 50K chassis cracked at rear subframe mounts
31) Jetblast - 1999 328i - 100k drivers side rear subframe mount completely tore out
32) sbk25 - 1999 328i - 86k drivers side rear subframe mount tearing apart
33) sanjaypatelis - 2000 328i - 49k drivers/passenger side rear and differential mounts torn out/and almost torn out
34) Berserker - 2000 328i (April build) - Cracking has started on the drivers side - not a problem yet - but I am sure it will grow.
35) e46ryder-1999 323i 82k- Crackin tearing sticking out the drivers side passenger side no problem
36) blownZ71 - 2000 328Ci Subframe torn out left rear. Needs repair
37) rich323ci - 2000 323ci - 74,000 miles - Discovered cracks 2 weeks ago, waiting for dealer to inspect.
38) IslandE46 - 2000 323ci - 46,000 miles - Driver's side rear torn out. Passenger side fine. Repaired myself with Turner Motorsports kit. 7/10/2005
39) r6tanz - 2000 328CI - 65K - driver's side subframe cracked - repaired 2 days ago and still in the shop 7/22/05
40) bimmer88 2000 328ci - 75k miles -driver's side torn out
41) als00328ci 2000 328ci - 64000 km's - drivers side ripped right out.
42) 00e46 2000 328i - 83k miles - Drivers side cracked and torn.
43) DRG 2001 330ci 53k miles SUBFRAME
44) Mtecknic330ci- 2001 330ci- Minnesota- 85k- rear left subframe
45) Rick Chamberlain - 2000 328ci - 78k - Body failure at left rear subframe mount point.
46) Trippinbillies4 - 2000 328Ci - 105k - Torn back driver's side
47) jtt777- 2000 328Ci - 70k - Torn back driver's side subframe
48) hhboy77 - 2000 323ci - 58K - what else...torn driver's side rear subframe mount
49) 2K323CI - 2000 323ci - 47000 miles Driver's side rear torn out. Warranty expired by date not miles.
50) Kiapeyvan 2000 323Ci Cracked/torn subframe 84K, driver side.
51) norcal bmwboy - 2000 328ci - 59000 miles drivers side
52) Pizzaboy777 - 2000 323i - 77000 miles drivers side rear subframe mount
53) sanman10535 - 2000 323ci - 69,000 miles drivers side rear subframe
54) asarki- 2000 323ci - 76,000 miles drivers side rear subframe 11-15-05
55) bimmerkid1568 - 2000 BMW 328i - Left Rear Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears (date unknown when problem began) Todays date: November 21, 2005
56) jgrecbets - 1999 323i - 88,000 miles drivers side rear subframe
57) coreytrv - 2000 328 Ci - torn at 91,000
58) z00me - 2000 328Ci - at 120000km - subframe second time.This time BmW covers!
59) liminality - 2000 323i - 60,000 miles - torn and ripped back driver's side - Fully covered by BMWNA despite being out of warranty.
60) ed328ci - 2000 328Ci - 88,000 km (55K miles) - torn driver's side
61) bernstem - 2000 328i - 46,000 miles - drivers side torn
62) kinggrimwood- 1999 BMW 328i - Sub Frame/tore on both sides 09/2005 135,000 miles.
63) crackersmasher- 1999 BMW 323i - Sub Frame/tore 01/2006 95,000 miles.
64) bmer328i - 1999 BMW 328i - subframe tearing - 12/2005
65) Phil220241 - 1999 323 CI - 93,000 kms - subframe cracking -
66) noshow323 - 2000 323Ci - 105,000 miles - subframe cracked - 3/13/06
67) j willie - 2000 BMW 328i - Rear driver's side Sub Frame/ Diff. mount - floor cracked - 110,000 miles
68) mcstahl - 2000 BMW 328i - Rear driver's side subframe cracked - 107,000 miles
69) blucaller - 2000 323 CI - 75K miles - driverside rear subframe carrier - will cost around $1500 w/ Turner rear subframe reinforcement, rear shock tower/rear swaybar/strut tower reinforcement and Turner/H&R sways too - 12/2005 (post#538)
70) manski - 2000 323Ci - 80k (post #166)
71) jj269ci - 2000 328Ci - rear drivers side subframe @ appx 51000 miles (post #180)
72) darkmanlfe - 1999 323i - 46,000 miles (post #252)
73) Das Mikro Bo***246;t - 2000 328ci - drivers side rear (post #262)
74) jkloese - 2002 325Ci (post #272)
75) andyh - 2000 BMW 328Ci - Subframe/diff mount tears - 148K miles! (post #282)
76) max123 - 1999 BMW 328I - Subframe damage/Diff mount drivers side(03/05/04) 65000K (post #287)
77) DallasE46 - 2000 BMW 323ci Certified Pre-Owned - Sub Frame (post #292)
78) 02bmwdinan330ci - 2002 325ci - 87k(high way milage) - Subframe tearing/damage (post #293)
79) tschmale - 2000 328Ci fixed at 70k miles, driver rear. (post #307)
80) M3Bmwcoupe - 99 328i - 80k miles (post #329)
81) BluE46 - 323i cracked subframe, drivers side, driveshaft mounts busted too - 54k miles (post #330)
82) miami323 - 323Ci - 72,000 miles (post #332)
83) All ON U - 323Ci (post #336)
84) superitr - 2000 BMW 323ci - rear diff mounts torn/sub-frame damage - 75k (post #339)
85) titomolotov-2000 bmw 328ci - subframe rear four deifferents areas torn (post #344)
86) doosk - 2000 323Ci (post # 347)
87) saiine - 2000 328i - 100k miles, rear subframe torn out on left side, right side cracked. (post #369)
88) sk3lly - 2000 328ci Had damage at 70,000mi rear left side. Fixed by BMWNA 12/2004 (post #371-372)
89) Shoomer - 99 323i - Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears (4/11/05) 89,000 Mi (post #377)
90) Shahshauhin - 1999 BMW 328i- Sub Frame(Rear) / Diff. mounts torn - 73,000 miles (post #407)
91) shortyz918 - 2000 328ci - 53k miles (post #417)
92) Wretchy - 2000 328ci - Sub Frame Damage (rear) - 34,000 Miles - 3/01/03 (post# 429)
93) m3-dude - 99 328i (post# 441)
94) nleksan - 328Ci (post #507)
95) Ian B - 1999 328i - 110,000 miles - subframe cracking - 02/2006 (post# 517)
96) Jake6172-2000 328Ci -101,000- subframe mount (rear/driver side) TORN!!! (post# 546)
97) Reno - 1999 328CI - currently 140,000Km - subframe damage was way back though, was fixed once then happend again (post# 549)
98) 323ciguy - 2000 323ci - 95K - Stock suspension - HUGE HOLE - See pic above (post# 551)
99) Hey-G - 2000 323i - 122,000kms - Stock Sport suspension - small tear (rear/driver side) (post# 552)
100)iseedipp - 2000 323ci - 80k - stock susp. (post# 554)
101)jw330ci - 323ci - 110k - torn the driver side (post# 559)
102)roo97ss - 2000 328ci - 5 spd - 50k - Driver rear. (post# 562)
103)ryanwhite74115 - 1999 328i, stock susp., 104k, driver and pass. rear (post# 565)
104)mjparky - 2000 323ci , 5speed manual. 90k rear drivers side beginning to tear on rear passenger (post# 566)
105)ck21084 - 323ci (post# 567)
106)speedcrazy1532 -2000 328 Ci- auto trans- 93000miles (post# 582)
107)hawk99 - 323ci (post# 587)
108)kimokeo - 2000 M-roadster 126,000 mi (post# 589)
109)e46m54325ci- 2002 325Ci Diff mount cracked and control arm bushings cracked and leaking- non-cpo at $1400 fixed yesterday, 33000 miles- a little early I thought, but maybe not (post# 590)
110)sexysilver - 2000 328ci - left rear subframe damage (fixed :reinforced) - 84,000 ($1800 fixed) (post# 591)
111)JToddK - 2000 328i, 120K Mi., drivers side (Left) rear subframe mount completely torn out, repair pending. (post# 592)
112)inspiritable1 - 2000 328i - 109k - 5 speed - Premium and Sports package - Drivers side rear - Will get an estimate tomorrow. (post# 595)
113)Doanut- 1999 323i -125 % speed. Premuim Sports... Dropped car of today for estimate (post# 596)
114)Reedo302 - Have seen two E46 328i's at my dealership in Minnesota with subframe damage in the rear. Both went to wholesale due to excessive cost of refurbishment. Both were 90k mile vehicles.
115)TBlueCoupe - 2000 BMW 328Ci - Sub-Frame fracture Left Rear 91,000 heard noise in rear around 60k
116)cwarner - 2000 328Ci - 65K miles stock sport suspension with 16" rims.
117)wrathchild819 - 2000 323i - 138k stock - differential/subframe mount cracked
118)recall-my-e46 - 2000 323ci - 65k - subframe torn - going to the dealer to see if this can be covered - especially since in '05 they told me not to worry about it if I don't plan on keeping the car for more than 6 months
119)pangeum - 2000 BMW 328Ci - Sub Frame Cracked - 90,000 - 3/2006
120)JaysE46 2000 323ci Stock sport suspension 17" rims 80k Violent vibration in the rear differential
121)Ben_328ci - '00 328ci - 113k Stock - Driver's side mount torn. 100% repaired by BMWNA. 9/2006
122)falconflyr - 00 328i sport - 117k Stock - Drivers side rear diff mount torn, other mounts propogating rapidly. 9/2006
123)e30mpwrd - '00 323ci - 110k - Subframe tears. 9/2006 (post# 654)
124)Smoof15 - '00 323ci - 106k - Subframe tears. 9/2006 (post# 656)
125)blueballz - '00 323ci - 150k - Driver's side subframe mount torn. 7/2006
126)cvega01- 1999 BMW 323i- Sub Frame Rear driver side tore out entirely. @ 75,000 miles. Had it repaired on my own though, not cheap!!
127)tuckin19'skid - 2000 323ci rear mount failed Sept 2006, 34,000 miles
128)junrboy- 2000 323ci rear mount failed October 2006, 112K miles
129)Bimm - 2000 323CI stock! 68000mi failed 2006
130)Hobie24- 2000 BMW 328CI- Sub Frame(Rear)/ Diff. mounts Torn 80,000 miles 10/11/06
131)strictly180 - 328i October 2006
132)Eurobim - 2000 323CI - Subframe tear (driver's rear) 156,000kms
133)N8s93turbo - 2000 328ci , 65k miles, subframe tear. 10/20/06
134)andrew10222- 1999 BMW 323 ci Sub Frame(left/rear torn ) 109000 miles 31/10/06
135)Bmuu328i - 1999 328i - 125,000 miles - Drivers side rear subframe cracks reported (11/06)
136)Chmpgn86 - 2000 328i
137)Beckham007 2000 323ci 60kmiles (subframe torn/crackin
138)BMuu328i - 2000 328i -125k- Subframe cracked rear drivers side. 11/2006
139)Hockeymanmt - 2000 328Ci - Subframe mount failure - drivers side rear 11/2006
140)Derek328i - 00 328i/rear driverside cracked/100k
141)AlchamY - 1999 328Ci - Subframe crack 158000 km 11/2006
142)Chachi328ci - 2000 328Ci - Subframe crack 80,000 miles 11/30/2006
143)Nic1974 - 1999 BMW 323ci - Subframe / Diff mount torn (rear passenger) - 107k miles
144)slosvt - 2000 BMW 328i - Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears (11/24/06)
145)jhuff328ci 2000 328ci 51,800 miles
146)zio - 2000 BMW 323i - Subframe Driver Side Tear - 130k (11/05/06)
147)Amistry 2000 328ci 83k miles, tearing rear driver subframe.
148)TasM - 1999 BMW 323Ci - Cabrio Sub Frame tears on both sides with diff mounts completely ripped from body 152,000 Kms
149)BMW Loe 2000 328Ci 95,000 miles 12/24/2006.
150)jmsanders78 - Have cracking at driver's side rear. 111,500 miles, 2000 328i.
151)sean0507 - 00bmw323i -- rear sub frame damage 12-27-06 60,000 miles
152)Gbimmer - 2000 323i - Subframe mount torn - 92,000 miles 12/31/2006
153)sinisterCi - 2000 328ci drivers side rear mount is pulled almost all of the way through the floor!
154) ezg2 - 2000 328Ci - driver's side subframe ripping/tearing/cracking - 102,000 miles
155)---zxcvbnm---1999 328i drivers side mount ripped.
156)brianly - 2001 330i rear driver side tear
157)E46-99 - 1999 323ci gone completely
158)WeismarsE46 - 2000 BMW 328CI, Drivers side Rear
159)Cheezemurda - 1999 BMW 323i - Sub Frame (3-16-07) 116,000 miles
160)cpikel - 2000 323CI- Rear subframe (left previously patched by PO, right now cracking) 113K miles, 3/21/07
161)chrisracer99 - 2000 323ci - Rear sub (left side, fixed with Turner Motorsport kit) 70K seems okay now.
162)ruisobreiros - 1999 - 320D - E46 - 147K kms, 03/April/07
163)3TARD - 2000 323Ci Rear driver's side torn out
164)abcd323328 -- 1999 328i -- 100K miles -- rear, left and right subframe rot w/tears (3/20/07)
165)launch6250 - 00 328ci stock wheels stock suspension 91000. miles
166)SinCityE46 - 328i 2000, 100k miles. sub frame ripped. Cost to fix, 4k down the drain
167)Vicious I6 - 2000 328ci
168)dreamdrivedrift - '00 328i, 125k miles. left subframe mounting point
169)akci - 2000 323ci 150,000km
170)pwalsh53 - 1999 328i, 5-speed, 95k miles. Tore RIGHT through the rear floor
171)BartenderPlease - 1999 328i, 5-speed, 92k miles.
172)Vic328CSi - 2000 Bmw 328Ci - Subframe mounts torn (7/10/07)
173)GSR8200 - 2000 328ci 90k miles
174)BigChris - 2001 325ci 50k miles
175)altoraltor-2000 328ci rear subframe 7/13/07 68,000miles
176)pointer - 2000 328ci 155k miles 2" tear in my left subframe
177)Zeshon - 2000 328Ci 5 speed - Rear subframe torn completely free on the drivers side - Stock suspension - 75k
178)BMW Sidewayz - 2000 BMW 328Ci - Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears (8/21/07)
179)Remington328 - 2000 328ci, 130k miles
180)xflashjr - 2000 323ci 81k
181)Chris Bullen - 1999 323i sub frame torn through floor 126000 miles
182)patrick328 - 2000 328ci
183)snowie - 2000 323ci (built 05/00) Auto 167k miles stock Sport + Prem package
184)illmonkey - 1999 323ci 145k miles.
185)977 - 1999 323i SE - subframe cracked Nov 8, 2007
186)alym786 - 2000 - 328ci - Rear passenger side cracked - uk spec right hand drive. 15th december 2007
187)zx5rider - 2000 BMW 328Ci - Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears Drivers side 149,000 Miles
188) bimmerguy11 - 2000 323CI - 12/2007 left rear subframe mount tear @ 75K miles
189) chris.loizou - 2000 328i - 12.19.07 left rear subframe tear. 100k mi.
190) CortinaD - 2004 M3 - 7/2007 (right rear subframe tear @ 25k miles) https://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=491044
191)dj2xrayed - 1999 323i - oct-07 subframe tear/crack 120k
192) jeremysmith1967 - 2000 328ci - Jan 08 subrame tear/crack 138k
193) monsoon322 - 2000 323ci - Jan 08 subframe tear/crack 74k
194) Malko - 1999 328i- Jan 08 discovered huge driver side tear/cracks 106k
195) moneyguy - 2000 328ci Nov 07 subframe pulled through where rear suspension mounts 110k
196) Capt Schnitzer - 1999 328Ci '07 Subframe cracked at drive/diff. appx 50,000 miles Replaced FOC
197) Bknuklz14 -2000 323i - 07' subframe ripped through the bottem driver side near diff about 70-75k
http://www.jonathanmalko.com/bmwdamage
198)MSpired - 2002 BMW M3 - 8/09/08 - Noticed a small crack on passenger side rear subframe (the one closer to the front)
199) 1999 323i (Sport Suspension) Rear Differential Mount Failing. Car in the shop now. Apparently no damage to sub frame. 129,000 miles in year 10. I am the original owner! I love the way this car drives but repairs like this make this an expensive ride. Changing out the liguid-filled rear trailing arm bushings at the same time. So, I will get a four-wheel alignment as an unexpected bonus with this "oil change."
200)knight2424- 2000 328i rear left sub-frame TORN 118,500 miles Feb 14/08
201)blznbabyt - 2000 328ci driverside subframe torn at 65,000 miles happened about a year ago, just found out it was a big issue with fellow bmw owners.
202)mrwizyrd - 2000 328ci driverside subframe torn at 77,000 miles
203) armwt - 2000 323iT (Wagon). Driver's side subframe completely torn, 77,500 miles.
204) Bluflaggz- 2002 m3 (coupe). passenger side rear subframe cracked- 58,000 miles
205) bluejeansonfire- 2001 330ci- Driver's side rear bushing area 7in crack- 96k miles
206) manualbimmer4life- 2000 328i- driver's side subframe mount, 101,000 miles
208) Toxic0n - 1999 328i - 170,000 km. The mount is torn on the driver's side.
209) mnstepchildrider1 - 1999 328i - complete overhaul of rear end subftam rotted away completely
210) 00-BMW-328i - 2000 328i - rear subframe torn and 100% cost covered by BMW
211) Brwcitymotrhead - 2000 323i - rear driver's side subframe torn at 110k miles
212) GoldieE46 - 2000 BMW 328Ci - Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears 68,000 Miles
213) fr0 - 2000 328i - 126k miles rear subframe cracked
214) HiRide - 2002 M3 - 83k miles - subframe axle support - heavily modded
215) Dr. G - 2001 M3 - rear passenger side subframe crack
216) Dirty Tool - 2000 328ci - 93K rear subframe cracked
217) 328modified - 2000 328ci - 122k miles cracked rear subframe
218) mestupmonkydude - 2000 328i - 115K miles cracked rear subframe
219) TopazKD - 2003 325Ci - cracked rear subframe
220) ByeByeM - 2000 328Ci - 93K miles cracked rear subframe
221)OKC323CI- 2000 323ci-89,000 (sport suspension) sheet metal torn badly right above left rear subframe mount I'm currently discussing with BMW.
222)328Ci2000 - 2000 328Ci - 122,750 miles - subframe mount torn out, discovered today, specifics unknown
223)ajv85483 - 2000 323ci - rear left subframe damaged
224)Mitch_ - 328Ci - 118,000km - subframe damaged
225)bmwm3fan- 200 328ci- 118,650 miles - subframe- right rear- (getting fixed at the moment at jmk) 10-01-08
226)bEm4w6 - 2000 323ci, coupe, 5spd, 109k miles, subframe damage on both sides.
227)w_tobiason - 2000 323ci, Coupe, 5spd, 94k miles, Driverside ripped out. Have a appointment with BMW of San Diego. A rep from BMWNA is there today and tomorrow. (pics attached)
228) Willsbma-1999 323i 5spd 121,559 Rear drivers side ripped out completely. Waiting to bring it in for BMW to inspect.
229) Kyvie21-1999 328i 5spd 89,000mi Rear drivers side torn. Paid for it myself didnt know. BMW wouldnt riemburse
230) tofupunx 2000 328i 5spd. Stock suspension. Rear driver's side torn. Waiting to hear if BMW is paying.
231) woobiee 2000 323ci 5spd 92k miles CPO. UUC Sways, PSS9 Coils, 18" ACS rims, 3.46 diff. BMWNA paying 100% w/o loaner.
232) wagits 12/99 BMW 328Ci 141,000 km's Adelaide Australia. Rear passenger torn. In to Adelaide BMW next week for assesment
233) aMMoE46 - 2000 BMW 328i - Sub Frame / Diff mount Tears
234) Shaky 99 318. subframe damage 92000 miles
235) leeyamr1 e46 318i 2000 model 101k
236) ASAEED = 2000 bmw 328ci rear passenger side subframe ripped from floor 16 may 2009
237) WFRFitness 2000 bmw 328ci rear driver subframe attachment ripped
238) Neil1138 2000 BMW 328Ci, no mods at the time of the fix. I don't care because BMWNA took care of me
239) lordgrunter 2001 bmw m3 149,000 kms passenger rta mount ripped off king springs brembos remus exhaust - fighting bmw australia at the moment.
Hate to argue about it, but flat out stating misinformation like that may lead someone down the wrong path--and that obviously doesn't constitute every single E46 owner, but it shows that it DOES and CAN happen.
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Old 12-29-2009, 11:41 PM   #8
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Hate to argue about it, but flat out stating misinformation like that may lead someone down the wrong path--and that obviously doesn't constitute every single E46 owner, but it shows that it DOES and CAN happen.
I misinform people? 09 sheesh

I hope you realize that we are talking about E46 non Ms here. M3s have subframe problems of their own and are out of this conversation. Topaz must have been a damn rare case. You look at a list of 240 people and 1 person with an 03-04 has a subframe crack, yep I misinform people
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^ Probably suspension for the 1 in 240. OP, when you go to purchase car just check with BMW if they did sub-frame inspection. Chances are that they did and if they haven't, I'm sure that they would be willing to since it's a important selling point. If it's past settlement date and it's an absolute no go without the check, don't get it. Seller probably didn't love the car anyways. You don't want that.
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I misinform people? 09 sheesh

I hope you realize that we are talking about E46 non Ms here. M3s have subframe problems of their own and are out of this conversation. Topaz must have been a damn rare case. You look at a list of 240 people and 1 person with an 03-04 has a subframe crack, yep I misinform people
First off I'd like to congratulate you on your pride of having registered one year before I did, hell that's what keeps me from sleeping comfortably at night, please don't rub it in.

Second, you ignorantly stated that it doesn't happen when it in fact does. Besides 1 out of every 240 people would prove to be pretty damn often when you look at the thousands of people with an E46 2003+ and above, if that's not misinformation I don't know what is--you're either blind, ignorant or both.

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If you take the last seven characters of the VIN to your BMW dealer, they can show you the car history but they can't print it out for you.
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^ Probably suspension for the 1 in 240. OP, when you go to purchase car just check with BMW if they did sub-frame inspection. Chances are that they did and if they haven't, I'm sure that they would be willing to since it's a important selling point. If it's past settlement date and it's an absolute no go without the check, don't get it. Seller probably didn't love the car anyways. You don't want that.
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First off I'd like to congratulate you on your pride of having registered one year before I did, hell that's what keeps me from sleeping comfortably at night, please don't rub it in.

Second, you ignorantly stated that it doesn't happen when it in fact does. Besides 1 out of every 240 people would prove to be pretty damn often when you look at the thousands of people with an E46 2003+ and above, if that's not misinformation I don't know what is--you're either blind, ignorant or both.

Thanks for answering my question, .
I hope you know Topaz does not have a stock car, his car is slammed. So I am still right, you are arguing with the wrong person my friend

btw Giftee agreed with me my friend
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It's not about taking sides, at least he provided me with useful information, which is what I had asked for in the first place, all you did was throw my question out of the window and said it can't happen.
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Hate to argue about it, but flat out stating misinformation like that may lead someone down the wrong path--and that obviously doesn't constitute every single E46 owner, but it shows that it DOES and CAN happen.
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I misinform people? 09 sheesh

I hope you realize that we are talking about E46 non Ms here. M3s have subframe problems of their own and are out of this conversation. Topaz must have been a damn rare case. You look at a list of 240 people and 1 person with an 03-04 has a subframe crack, yep I misinform people

no offense, but neil you DID misinform him.

you said "03-04 does not have subframe issues" and nineteen clearly proved his point with a fact that there in fact, can be problem with 03-04 e46s and the small number is irrelevant. E46s include M3s don't it?
if you said, "rarely", then no, you didn't misinform him. Am i being anal? yes. why? because to tell a potential buyer that the subframe damage, which is far from a cheap repair, exists only among pre-03 e46s can be disastrous.

my friend had an '03 e46 m3 also had his rear subframe crack and had it repaired by his insurance company.

anyways, back to the point, I don't know, I am in the same boat with you. I'm trying to pick up an m3 before the deadline, (i believe it's in september?).. but I have a feeling if you ***** at bmwna, they'll probly fix it for you... but then again I could be wrong.. you could probably call the lawyer that represents this case and find out.


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no offense, but neil you DID misinform him.

you said "03-04 does not have subframe issues" and nineteen clearly proved his point with a fact that there in fact, can be problem with 03-04 e46s and the small number is irrelevant. E46s include M3s don't it?
if you said, "rarely", then no, you didn't misinform him.

To tell a potential buyer that the subframe damage, which is far from a cheap repair, exists only among pre-03 e46s can be disastrous for him.

my friend had an '03 e46 m3 also had his rear subframe crack and had it repaired by his insurance company.

anyways, back to the point, I don't know, I am in the same boat with you. I'm trying to pick up an m3 before the deadline, (i believe it's in september?).. but I have a feeling if you ***** at bmwna, they'll probly fix it for you... but then again I could be wrong.. you could probably call the lawyer that represents this case and find out.


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There is an M3 subform and this is not it. My comment was geared toward non M e46s. Topaz has a modified car with suspension and wheels. End of discussion, any knowledgeable member on here will tell you the same thing I said, subframe problems only happen on early e46s. (we are not talking about M3s here)
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You did misinform him Neil and I will not agree with you. You said no 03-04 cars have that problem, and he brought up a list with 03-04 cars that had failures. I will however say that the pre-2001 cars were significantly more likely to develop the subframe problem.

Also if you didn't realize, the sheet metal that tears in the E46 is the exact same part number, 41117000246, used in every single E46 sedan, coupe(including M3), convertible, and touring.
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You did misinform him Neil. You said no 03-04 cars have that problem, and he brought up a list with 03-04 cars that had failures.

Also if you didn't realize, the sheet metal that tears in the E46 is the exact same part number, 41117000246, used in every single E46 sedan, coupe, convertible, and touring.
Miles we aren't talking about M3s here, and the only 03-04 on there that was listed was Topaz, well I did some digging...

Well apparently his crack turned out to be nothing, latest response from Topaz.

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Just got my letter today.....but dealer looked at my subframe last year and everything was fine....I have to wait and see what happens
https://forum.e46fanatics.com/showpos...8&postcount=79

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Miles we aren't talking about M3s here, and the only 03-04 on there that was listed was Topaz, well I did some digging...

Well apparently his crack turned out to be nothing, latest response from Topaz.



https://forum.e46fanatics.com/showpos...8&postcount=79

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That's good to hear.

My question now is why do the M3s not count into this equation if they have the same part that fails?
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