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Old 09-13-2013, 07:42 PM   #1
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328i Locking System Causes Students Death

Assume this is 328i E46, article was not clear on the year of the car.

Sad but fully understandable situation for those of use that know how the central locking function works in the E46 and likely the E39.

Since this was likely an 328 E46 I do not think even pushing the central locking button on the console would allow the inside door handles to function. It appears the central locking button only works on later models, still unclear when this change was made, but I have commented that both my 2003 E39 and 2006 E46 Convertible have the central locking button that will allow the inside door handles to released with 2 pulls after the central locking button is pushed.

http://www.kmph.com/story/23421319/p...ld-girls-death

Expect a lawsuit and possible other fallout because of this tragic situation.

Just found this, claims is was a 1997 model? Likely a 1998?

http://news.yahoo.com/girl-14-dies-m...opstories.html
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Old 09-13-2013, 07:52 PM   #2
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Old 09-13-2013, 08:01 PM   #3
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That is an awful tragedy, I have a 14 year old daughter myself.

When the locks do that, the engine won't turn on either?
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328i Locking System Causes Students Death

Wow, very sad. Even more sad after finding out she was only 80 pounds and couldn't break windows.

Is it possible fir BMW to still do a recall on this and reprogram the computer to not do that?


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That is an awful tragedy, I have a 14 year old daughter myself.

When the locks do that, the engine won't turn on either?
In the first link it says the brother took the keys and went to class but her class started later so she was gonna wait in the car for till class but her brother locked the doors from the outside.


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My 2003 opens from the inside with two pulls from the 4 door handles.
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Old 09-13-2013, 08:07 PM   #7
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That is an awful tragedy, I have a 14 year old daughter myself.

When the locks do that, the engine won't turn on either?
I assume the brother got out of the car and locked the car?

If the key was in the car, you can turn the ignition on and this will release the dead lock as I recall? You can also just use the keyfob as well assuming the GM5 module did not have bad relays.

Hopefully she did not panic and have the keys or not realize that the door handle had to be pulled twice if the car was not dead locked.

Also too back she did not realize she may have been able to use the seat belt bladed to try and break the window, but she was only 14 and maybe did not thing to try that?

Such a sad situation all around for the family and the brother.
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Old 09-13-2013, 08:08 PM   #8
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Dang. Poor family.

Kinda awkward how they quoted people from bimmerforums.. I don't know if i'd want my posts related to a child's death?

Then again, couldn't she just have grabbed the metal piece to the seat belt and start jamming to the drivers window? If only the poor girl had a metal watch on. Still, only 80 lbs idk if she'd be able to bust it.
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My 2003 opens from the inside with two pulls from the 4 door handles.
Not if the car is dead locked with the keyfob.

Open the car, get it the car, use the keyfob to lock the car while you are in the car and then try the double pull, you will not likely be able to open the door until you try the central console lock button and even this may not release the dead lock on your car. Not sure what years the central console lock button releases the dead lock.
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Old 09-13-2013, 08:12 PM   #10
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Very sad story... The car in question is an E36 but still I wonder how sutch a thing is possible because even though the lock is electronic, the handle still use a mechanical system... In my 2000 323i, if I lock someone in the car, we can still unlock the door and get out by pulling the door handle twice, even in my jetta were the locks are 100% electronics, the same procedure apply, it is even combined with the alarm sounding until you put the key in the ignition.
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Scottjoh may be the expert witness in this case?
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Not if the car is dead locked with the keyfob.

Open the car, get it the car, use the keyfob to lock the car while you are in the car and then try the double pull, you will not likely be able to open the door until you try the central console lock button and even this may not release the dead lock on your car. Not sure what years the central console lock button releases the dead lock.
Correct...so press center button one time and double pull handles.
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Re: 328i Locking System Causes Students Death

This is why the owner's manual tells you to never use the remote to lock the car when someone is inside... I really wish people would take the time to read those when they buy a new car.

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Correct...so press center button one time and double pull handles.
Not all models support the central locking button releasing the dead locking system.

2003 and newer may do it, it may be the locking module, there may be a programming tweak??

I just know that both of my cars can have the dead lock overridden with the console lock button, but they are 2003 and newer.
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This is why the owner's manual tells you to never use the remote to lock the car when someone is inside... I really wish people would take the time to read those when they buy a new car.
You could hide a $20 bill in every owners manual and I would bet that over 95% of the owners manuals would still have the $20 bill in it 15 years later!

That also assumes your used car even has the manual in it when you purchased it!
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My question is lets say for example the GM5 module is damaged will that center console button still work? If not, than I'm surprised more people haven't been trapped or died due to this ridiculously stupid locking system.
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Checking this tomorrow, my centre lock works but I've seen that the push clips can fail, and if it was an E36 they are even older of course.
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My question is lets say for example the GM5 module is damaged will that center console button still work? If not, than I'm surprised more people haven't been trapped or died due to this ridiculously stupid locking system.
If the GM5 module is faulty you can in fact get locked in the car, but usually most people cannot get into the car in the first place if the GM5 module/relays go bad.

I had a friend that has a 2001 Touring that the GM5 relays went bad on. Her car had the auto locking feature enabled since new and she is the original owner. When GM5 relays went bad, the problem was she usually parks her car in the garage in her house so she never locks the car while parked at the house.

She gets in the car and before she hits the street the doors lock. Then she gets to her destination and she cannot get out of the car because the GM5 relays are bad. She would either have to roll down the window and crawl out Dukes Of Hazzard style, or I think she could use the key in the door to manually unlock the drivers door, but everyone would have to crawl out windows of crawl to the drivers door.

I replaced the relays in the GM5 module for her within the first week that this started and no more issues.
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Old 09-13-2013, 08:36 PM   #19
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The story is very unclear, but it is a design, not a flaw, that if the doors are locked with the key, or the key fob, they will not open. It is clearly stated in the Owner's Manual of my E36 that one should not lock the doors while the car is occupied because the people inside will not be able to get out.

The brother locked his sister inside the car.
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Lawsuit on the way for sure, damm i feel sorry for the family and her brother must feel terrible...

A recall would be great, as we all here need GM5 touch up
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